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Post by notstarboard on Nov 12, 2024 20:16:45 GMT -5
I've never been too clear on this "generational hitter" phrase. What exactly does it mean? Every hitter as good as Juan Soto at his age is an inner circle Hall of Famer, a legend of the game. Seems pretty obvious what people mean by it. What people mean is that hitters as good as Soto only come around once in a generation. That isn't the case, though. Judge, Trout, Alvarez, and Ohtani are all in the same stratosphere. His eye could fairly be described as generational, though, at least on a player remotely this good. |
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Post by fenwaydouble on Nov 12, 2024 20:20:25 GMT -5
If anything I've been surprised at the relative lightness of the projections for Soto's salary. MLBTR has 13/600; Ben Clemens has 12/576; FG crowdsource has 13/585. Would anyone not want Soto at those prices?
FWIW the crowdsource has been very accurate on top free agent AAVs the last few years - they're almost always within 20% one way or another.
Me! I honestly don't get it. He's a beast, yes, but he's a borderline DH set to make $600 million. Do people think he can fake it at more than LF at Fenway or RF at Yankee Stadium?
I am having a lot of difficulty accepting that kind of price tag for Soto because of one Yordan Alvarez. In 2022, when Alvarez was almost 24 going on 25, the Astros bought out three arb years and extended him for three more years, resulting in a 6 year deal at $19.7 million AAV. At the time of his extension, Alvarez was rocking a career 155 wRC+, which was almost identical to both Soto's career wRC+ (154) and Soto's wRC+ from the day Alvarez made the majors until the day Alvarez signed his extension (159). He's about a year and a half older than Soto and was promoted a couple years later, so there's room for quibbling, but I view them as having similar value, both with the bat and in the field. What Soto adds in eye, he gives right back in power.
The Astros got Alvarez's age 28-30 seasons in exchange for buying out his age 25-27 arb years. He will hit free agency at 31, so there's very little downside risk in the deal. Meanwhile, the projections for Soto put him under contract through his age 37 or 38 season at $45-50 million AAV. That means there's plenty of albatross risk if he can't keep hitting at an otherworldly level. Do the folks who want Soto at $600 million think that Yordan Alvarez was an absolute heist on his current deal and a top 5 most valuable player in baseball? If not, what's the big difference here?
People have been saying that Soto's eye should allow him to age gracefully, but I don't necessarily agree. I see the risk as pretty average. If he continues to hit at a high level, sure, I can see his awesome eye making up for declining bat speed. If he ever loses the ability to do damage, pitchers can just attack him in the zone, and the utility of his elite eye goes way down; that could actually cause his offensive output to fall off a cliff.
Then there's the fact that he would be a poor roster fit in Boston. While Soto does hit lefties well, he has significant R/L splits, which means opponents would still get significant value from lining up their LHPs. Then there's Yoshida, who is on a hard deal to move right now, and who occupies basically the same role that Soto would. Do folks want to just dump him and effectively pay Soto close to $60 million a year to DH once you add Yoshida's dead money? Yoshida has been battling injuries but has flashed a high ceiling, so I don't like the idea of selling him at rock bottom. I don't want to see this happen soon, but I also think Devers would ideally move to DH at some point towards the second half of his deal, and locking up Soto would mean one of them would have to play the field well into their 30s. Sure, we could trade one, but only if the deal isn't underwater by then.
I would like to see that vast majority of the money spent this offseason go into pitching. Let the young position player talent shine through and give Yoshida a chance to redeem himself. Consider creative trades to further improve the pitching staff and the roster's R/L balance, especially while trading from areas of depth.
Basically, yes. The Alvarez deal was a total heist and does not come close to reflecting his value on the open market. Soto just put up 8 WAR, that’s why nobody cares about his defense. |
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 12, 2024 20:52:49 GMT -5
Me! I honestly don't get it. He's a beast, yes, but he's a borderline DH set to make $600 million. Do people think he can fake it at more than LF at Fenway or RF at Yankee Stadium?
I am having a lot of difficulty accepting that kind of price tag for Soto because of one Yordan Alvarez. In 2022, when Alvarez was almost 24 going on 25, the Astros bought out three arb years and extended him for three more years, resulting in a 6 year deal at $19.7 million AAV. At the time of his extension, Alvarez was rocking a career 155 wRC+, which was almost identical to both Soto's career wRC+ (154) and Soto's wRC+ from the day Alvarez made the majors until the day Alvarez signed his extension (159). He's about a year and a half older than Soto and was promoted a couple years later, so there's room for quibbling, but I view them as having similar value, both with the bat and in the field. What Soto adds in eye, he gives right back in power.
The Astros got Alvarez's age 28-30 seasons in exchange for buying out his age 25-27 arb years. He will hit free agency at 31, so there's very little downside risk in the deal. Meanwhile, the projections for Soto put him under contract through his age 37 or 38 season at $45-50 million AAV. That means there's plenty of albatross risk if he can't keep hitting at an otherworldly level. Do the folks who want Soto at $600 million think that Yordan Alvarez was an absolute heist on his current deal and a top 5 most valuable player in baseball? If not, what's the big difference here? People have been saying that Soto's eye should allow him to age gracefully, but I don't necessarily agree. I see the risk as pretty average. If he continues to hit at a high level, sure, I can see his awesome eye making up for declining bat speed. If he ever loses the ability to do damage, pitchers can just attack him in the zone, and the utility of his elite eye goes way down; that could actually cause his offensive output to fall off a cliff.
Then there's the fact that he would be a poor roster fit in Boston. While Soto does hit lefties well, he has significant R/L splits, which means opponents would still get significant value from lining up their LHPs. Then there's Yoshida, who is on a hard deal to move right now, and who occupies basically the same role that Soto would. Do folks want to just dump him and effectively pay Soto close to $60 million a year to DH once you add Yoshida's dead money? Yoshida has been battling injuries but has flashed a high ceiling, so I don't like the idea of selling him at rock bottom. I don't want to see this happen soon, but I also think Devers would ideally move to DH at some point towards the second half of his deal, and locking up Soto would mean one of them would have to play the field well into their 30s. Sure, we could trade one, but only if the deal isn't underwater by then. I would like to see that vast majority of the money spent this offseason go into pitching. Let the young position player talent shine through and give Yoshida a chance to redeem himself. Consider creative trades to further improve the pitching staff and the roster's R/L balance, especially while trading from areas of depth.
Basically, yes. The Alvarez deal was a total heist and does not come close to reflecting his value on the open market. Soto just put up 8 WAR, that’s why nobody cares about his defense. Good to know. I do think it was a heck of a deal for Houston but I'm not sure I'm quite there on just how much. If Alvarez were a free agent right now, would you want to give him something like 11-12/540?
Soto put up 8 WAR in large part because he was able to play a passable RF, likely because RF at Yankee Stadium is a cakewalk. In past seasons his WAR totals were suppressed by atrocious defensive metrics.
Soto has averaged 5.5 WAR / 650 PA over the past three seasons. That's awesome, but even in a vacuum it's not quite worth the AAV he's projected to get. And when signing him basically requires eating maybe 3/30+ more to dump Yoshida, severely limits flexibility for roster construction going forward, and reinforces a team-wide vulnerability to LHP, I can't say I'm thrilled to want to pay a premium for that.
The best argument for it in my mind would be "when is an opportunity to sign a guy like this going to come around again?" I don't have a good answer for that. And if the Sox feel it could be 5-10 years, say, I won't fault them for taking the chance to lock up an elite player. But the value will almost necessarily be poor, given that the Sox would be making the winning bid with a poor roster fit.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 12, 2024 20:57:38 GMT -5
Soto put up 8 WAR in large part because he was able to play a passable RF, likely because RF at Yankee Stadium is a cakewalk. In past seasons his WAR totals were suppressed by atrocious defensive metrics. My good sir, are you aware there is a giant wall 20 feet from home plate at Fenway Park |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 12, 2024 21:01:59 GMT -5
If anything I've been surprised at the relative lightness of the projections for Soto's salary. MLBTR has 13/600; Ben Clemens has 12/576; FG crowdsource has 13/585. Would anyone not want Soto at those prices?
FWIW the crowdsource has been very accurate on top free agent AAVs the last few years - they're almost always within 20% one way or another.
Me! I honestly don't get it. He's a beast, yes, but he's a borderline DH set to make $600 million. Do people think he can fake it at more than LF at Fenway or RF at Yankee Stadium?
I am having a lot of difficulty accepting that kind of price tag for Soto because of one Yordan Alvarez. In 2022, when Alvarez was almost 24 going on 25, the Astros bought out three arb years and extended him for three more years, resulting in a 6 year deal at $19.7 million AAV. At the time of his extension, Alvarez was rocking a career 155 wRC+, which was almost identical to both Soto's career wRC+ (154) and Soto's wRC+ from the day Alvarez made the majors until the day Alvarez signed his extension (159). He's about a year and a half older than Soto and was promoted a couple years later, so there's room for quibbling, but I view them as having similar value, both with the bat and in the field. What Soto adds in eye, he gives right back in power.
The Astros got Alvarez's age 28-30 seasons in exchange for buying out his age 25-27 arb years. He will hit free agency at 31, so there's very little downside risk in the deal. Meanwhile, the projections for Soto put him under contract through his age 37 or 38 season at $45-50 million AAV. That means there's plenty of albatross risk if he can't keep hitting at an otherworldly level. Do the folks who want Soto at $600 million think that Yordan Alvarez was an absolute heist on his current deal and a top 5 most valuable player in baseball? If not, what's the big difference here?
People have been saying that Soto's eye should allow him to age gracefully, but I don't necessarily agree. I see the risk as pretty average. If he continues to hit at a high level, sure, I can see his awesome eye making up for declining bat speed. But if he ever loses the ability to do damage, pitchers can just attack him in the zone, and the utility of his elite eye goes way down; that could actually cause his offensive output to fall off a cliff.
Then there's the fact that he would be a poor roster fit in Boston. While Soto does hit lefties well, he has significant R/L splits, which means opponents would still get significant value from lining up their LHPs. Then there's Yoshida, who is on a hard deal to move right now, and who occupies basically the same role that Soto would. Do folks want to just dump him and effectively pay Soto close to $60 million a year to DH once you add Yoshida's dead money? Yoshida has been battling injuries but has flashed a high ceiling, so I don't like the idea of selling him at rock bottom. I don't want to see this happen soon, but I also think Devers would ideally move to DH at some point towards the second half of his deal, and locking up Soto would mean one of them would have to play the field well into their 30s. Sure, we could trade one, but only if the deal isn't underwater by then.
I would like to see that vast majority of the money spent this offseason go into pitching. Let the young position player talent shine through and give Yoshida a chance to redeem himself. Consider creative trades to further improve the pitching staff and the roster's R/L balance, especially while trading from areas of depth.
Edit: I should say that this is all predicated on the assumption that ownership will not spend over the tax line in perpetuity. In other words, I'm treating it as at least somewhat of a zero-sum game. Signing Soto and dumping Yoshida might roughly mean not signing, say, Fried and Snell. I'd much rather go the pitching and defense route.
Now that Alvarez comparison is interesting. So let's see. He got extended coming off an absurdly monster season (.460 xwOBA!). He had all his arb years ahead of him, which would have totaled to what, $35 million? And then he would have hit free agency at age 28. Even at a $45 million AAV for his arb years he would have stood to make only about $170 million over those 6 seasons. So 6/115 was certainly team-friendly, but he got the benefit of security and still gets to hit free agency young enough to get another 9-figure payday.
Soto, on the other hand, is already hitting free agency at the same age as Alvarez was when he signed that extension. What would Alvarez have gotten in free agency at that point? I think the truck full of money would have been VERY large indeed. In short, I don't think the Alvarez extension and Soto's projected contract are as out of line with each other as they might seem.
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 12, 2024 21:05:21 GMT -5
Soto put up 8 WAR in large part because he was able to play a passable RF, likely because RF at Yankee Stadium is a cakewalk. In past seasons his WAR totals were suppressed by atrocious defensive metrics. My good sir, are you aware there is a giant wall 20 feet from home plate at Fenway Park This is fair and it could help mitigate his downsides. I do think he's at least playable in LF now, even if he's well below average there. But when we're talking about his 2024 WAR, he got the benefit of the RF positional factor while playing in a comically small RF; that's part of how he jumped up to 8 WAR, along with a great offensive year. Playing LF for the Sox would give him the LF positional factor for (likely) similar OAA numbers, so he'd probably be less valuable by WAR in Boston even while being hidden in another tiny corner OF.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 12, 2024 21:06:22 GMT -5
Similar Batters through 25
Bryce Harper (948.0)
Frank Robinson (928.7) *
Ken Griffey Jr. (925.1) *
Mike Trout (914.7)
Andruw Jones (905.4)
Eddie Mathews (902.9) *
Miguel Cabrera (896.9)
Mickey Mantle (888.5) *
Orlando Cepeda (887.6) *
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (877.0)
* - Signifies Hall of Famer
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 12, 2024 21:14:47 GMT -5
Doing some napkin projections:
Age 26: 6.5 WAR
Age 27: 6.5 WAR
Age 28: 6.5 WAR
Age 29: 6.5 WAR
Age 30: 6 WAR
Age 31: 5.5 WAR
Age 32: 5 WAR
Age 33: 4.5 WAR
Age 34: 3.5 WAR
Age 35: 2.5 WAR
Age 36: 1.5 WAR
Age 37: 1 WAR
That's 12 years/62 WAR. At 9 million per WAR that's 558 million and for a contract this long you really ought to factor inflation in which I'm not doing. You don't need any kind of voodoo to make him worth the contract estimates people are throwing around.
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 12, 2024 21:20:24 GMT -5
Me! I honestly don't get it. He's a beast, yes, but he's a borderline DH set to make $600 million. Do people think he can fake it at more than LF at Fenway or RF at Yankee Stadium?
I am having a lot of difficulty accepting that kind of price tag for Soto because of one Yordan Alvarez. In 2022, when Alvarez was almost 24 going on 25, the Astros bought out three arb years and extended him for three more years, resulting in a 6 year deal at $19.7 million AAV. At the time of his extension, Alvarez was rocking a career 155 wRC+, which was almost identical to both Soto's career wRC+ (154) and Soto's wRC+ from the day Alvarez made the majors until the day Alvarez signed his extension (159). He's about a year and a half older than Soto and was promoted a couple years later, so there's room for quibbling, but I view them as having similar value, both with the bat and in the field. What Soto adds in eye, he gives right back in power.
The Astros got Alvarez's age 28-30 seasons in exchange for buying out his age 25-27 arb years. He will hit free agency at 31, so there's very little downside risk in the deal. Meanwhile, the projections for Soto put him under contract through his age 37 or 38 season at $45-50 million AAV. That means there's plenty of albatross risk if he can't keep hitting at an otherworldly level. Do the folks who want Soto at $600 million think that Yordan Alvarez was an absolute heist on his current deal and a top 5 most valuable player in baseball? If not, what's the big difference here?
People have been saying that Soto's eye should allow him to age gracefully, but I don't necessarily agree. I see the risk as pretty average. If he continues to hit at a high level, sure, I can see his awesome eye making up for declining bat speed. But if he ever loses the ability to do damage, pitchers can just attack him in the zone, and the utility of his elite eye goes way down; that could actually cause his offensive output to fall off a cliff.
Then there's the fact that he would be a poor roster fit in Boston. While Soto does hit lefties well, he has significant R/L splits, which means opponents would still get significant value from lining up their LHPs. Then there's Yoshida, who is on a hard deal to move right now, and who occupies basically the same role that Soto would. Do folks want to just dump him and effectively pay Soto close to $60 million a year to DH once you add Yoshida's dead money? Yoshida has been battling injuries but has flashed a high ceiling, so I don't like the idea of selling him at rock bottom. I don't want to see this happen soon, but I also think Devers would ideally move to DH at some point towards the second half of his deal, and locking up Soto would mean one of them would have to play the field well into their 30s. Sure, we could trade one, but only if the deal isn't underwater by then.
I would like to see that vast majority of the money spent this offseason go into pitching. Let the young position player talent shine through and give Yoshida a chance to redeem himself. Consider creative trades to further improve the pitching staff and the roster's R/L balance, especially while trading from areas of depth.
Edit: I should say that this is all predicated on the assumption that ownership will not spend over the tax line in perpetuity. In other words, I'm treating it as at least somewhat of a zero-sum game. Signing Soto and dumping Yoshida might roughly mean not signing, say, Fried and Snell. I'd much rather go the pitching and defense route.
Now that Alvarez comparison is interesting. So let's see. He got extended coming off an absurdly monster season (.460 xwOBA!). He had all his arb years ahead of him, which would have totaled to what, $35 million? And then he would have hit free agency at age 28. Even at a $45 million AAV for his arb years he would have stood to make only about $170 million over those 6 seasons. So 6/115 was certainly team-friendly, but he got the benefit of security and still gets to hit free agency young enough to get another 9-figure payday.
Soto, on the other hand, is already hitting free agency at the same age as Alvarez was when he signed that extension. What would Alvarez have gotten in free agency at that point? I think the truck full of money would have been VERY large indeed. In short, I don't think the Alvarez extension and Soto's projected contract are as out of line with each other as they might seem.
Alvarez was about a year younger at extension time, actually - he was a few weeks before his 25th birthday and Soto just turned 26. But you might be right that he would have gotten a similarly ridiculous deal if he had hit free agency at 26. It's possible that we just haven't had a DH of this caliber hit the market at this sort of age and so my eye level has been set by the (mostly older) DHs who have signed multi-year deals in years past.
At the risk of getting off topic, this conversation is making me really want to trade for and extend Vlad Jr. His bat is of course excellent, and he would help improve the roster's R/L balance and swing and miss issues while being able to back up 1B/3B. Masa could even still stay and play LF/DH if a guy like Abreu gets moved, as Vlad would be corner IF or DH only. He was merely good in 2022-2023, but he also has seasons of 165 and 166 wRC+ in his last four years (2024 and 2021 respectively). He's entering his last year of team control and turns 26 in March.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Nov 12, 2024 21:46:59 GMT -5
The only guy in this "generation" who compares to Soto as a hitter is Trout.
When looking at Judge and Ohtani, you have to consider that Soto is doing almost the same thing but 5+ years younger. If you compare Judge and Soto by age, Soto is outpacing both of them significantly.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 12, 2024 22:05:39 GMT -5
Similar Batters through 25 Bryce Harper (948.0) Frank Robinson (928.7) * Ken Griffey Jr. (925.1) * Mike Trout (914.7) Andruw Jones (905.4) Eddie Mathews (902.9) * Miguel Cabrera (896.9) Mickey Mantle (888.5) * Orlando Cepeda (887.6) * Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (877.0) * - Signifies Hall of Famer Age 26-38 WAR totals:
Harper: 23.8 (26-31) Robinson: 67.8 Griffey: 40.3 (35.6 of which came in the first 5 years) Trout: 31.7 (26-32) Jones: 30.4 (27.7 of which came in the first 5 years; career over at age 35) Mathews: 56.7 (career over at age 36) Cabrera: 48.5 (48.6 of which came in the first 8 years lol) Mantle: 59.8 (career over at age 36) Cepeda: 26.1 (but honestly not a great comp; he wasn't nearly the hitter Soto is)
My takeaways from these precedents: 1. The signing team is almost sure to get a ton of value in the first 5 years of the deal. 2. The mid-30s are a cliff even for the greatest players and now I am a little more gun-shy about a 13+ year contract.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 12, 2024 22:33:24 GMT -5
Jayson Stark is reporting the SF Giants currently do not have a meeting with Soto - they were on the periphery of teams mentioned but might not be making the cut
I’m a little surprised we haven’t heard more of a peep from the Washington Nationals. They offered Soto 440 mil when he had 2.5 years left - and then shipped him out when said no. But now the young haul they acquired for him is contributing at the MLB level, his younger brother is still in the Washington org, and they have relatively clean books. (Corbin is gone, and Strasburg has like two years left.) The Lerners are silly for not jumping back in here
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Post by cdj on Nov 12, 2024 23:09:33 GMT -5
Fully convinced myself we are getting him and will be demanding ownership be tarred and feathered if we don’t
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 13, 2024 0:38:29 GMT -5
Not too many thoughts on Soto beyond how awesome it would be to sign him - the closest thing to a left handed Manny Ramirez signing except Manny hit for a higher batting average.
I dont really take the possibility of Soto in a Red Sox uniform seriously.
I believe the Sox are very interested in him. It's nice to see them have a seat at the big boy's table.
That said, I dont really take Toronto as a destination seriously either. I'd be stunned if Soto didnt wind up in New York.
The Sox would have to he the highest bidder, and I dont see them offering the 600 - 700 million it would take.
Years ago the Sox pursued A-Rod but balked at giving him his full value contract - I think they tried to lower his salary and use some sort of benefit valuation as a compensation equalizer, before the union balked at it. Dont see the Sox wanting to set any records.
I also dont take the prospect of Sasaki joining the Sox seriously either. It would be fantastic if he did bit I'd be surprised if he didnt wind up on s California team.
I do take the Crochet talks seriously and I do believe the Sox could be factors in a Fried or even a Snell pursuit and I wouldnt rule out Burnes either.
I also believe Breslow will chase a right bat - I'm paying attention to Teoscar and O'Neill, but not so much on Bregman or trading for Arenado or Correa.
I'm also paying attention to the mid to upper tier of bullpen arms as I believe Breslow will grab 2 of those guys.
The winter trade meetings cant come soon enough.
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Post by sxfan on Nov 13, 2024 0:54:42 GMT -5
In case anyone needs national perspective on the Sox chances of signing Soto-
MLB Network spent about 10 minutes talking about which New York team will sign him. 5 minutes on Toronto being a slight contender because they were serious threats about Ohtani last year(when it came to the money especially).
They spent a minute on the Sox. Saying they're not signing Soto. It isn't just a local fan market thing. No one in the world believes the Sox will do what it takes to sign him.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 13, 2024 5:25:10 GMT -5
The Sox are in a fantastic position because they can potentially improve there roster in so many ways. Between the current roster, the deep farm and the potential massive amount of $$$, there are unlimeted ways this could go. That is why the Sox should be in on every option. Start at the top ( Soto) and work your way down.
I dout the Sox sign Soto. That said if we make MFY pay 100 m$ extra its a win. If it gains us acess to another player its a win. If it opens up any possibility its a win. The sox are in a great position, they have near unlimited ways to improve. The in a great spot and it All starts with jaun soto
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 13, 2024 7:15:52 GMT -5
I'm not trying to get myself excited over Soto because I don't believe in his FO spending anymore, but this is it. There's no more excuses for this club to not spend and if they don't I think there's going to be a real PR problem for them. They have the space, they have the youth, and they were on the cusp of a playoff spot.
So, playing into them getting Soto, who moves? Can Roman Anthony play CF or does he project more in RF? Would the theoretical outfield be
LF - Soto
CF - Duran
RF - Anthony
4OF/UTIL - Rafaela
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Post by threeifbaerga on Nov 13, 2024 7:46:56 GMT -5
They have the space, they have the youth, and they were on the cusp of a playoff spot. That's exactly why they're going to spend now. Those things weren't true for the past couple years. |
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Post by trotnixon7 on Nov 13, 2024 7:48:02 GMT -5
One of clearly the greatest hitters of the generation he played in. I've heard it used as "the best of his generation" - which makes me wonder about Trout and Harper and Judge. Aren't they in the same generation? Aren't they better? If it's "one of the top 10 guys" in OPS, then what's the point of the label? Generational doesn't always have to mean best of his era. Gehrig wasn't even the best hitter on his own team but I'd 100% say he had generational talent at the plate. As for soto? He currently has an OPS+ of 160 which ranks 19th all time. Using WRC+ (an even better stat) he's ranked 12th sandwiched between musial and cobb (min 4000 pas) Since 1950? He'd be ranked 6th. Now obviously the longer he plays the worse his rate stats will likely get but..not many have done what soto has done by 26. He's in a pretty rare group. |
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 13, 2024 8:03:21 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Juan Soto here! I have multiple offers on the table. They will all provide for my family, my children, and my grand children. I was hoping you could help me out. Why should I accept the Red Sox offer?
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Post by bluechip on Nov 13, 2024 8:06:49 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Juan Soto here! I have multiple offers on the table. They will all provide for my family, my children, and my grand children. I was hoping you could help me out. Why should I accept the Red Sox offer? Because it is the most money and you have made it clear your position clear on what matters most. |
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Post by asm18 on Nov 13, 2024 8:10:38 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Juan Soto here! I have multiple offers on the table. They will all provide for my family, my children, and my grand children. I was hoping you could help me out. Why should I accept the Red Sox offer? |
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Post by curll on Nov 13, 2024 8:36:02 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Juan Soto here! I have multiple offers on the table. They will all provide for my family, my children, and my grand children. I was hoping you could help me out. Why should I accept the Red Sox offer? 1) I ain't falling for this again, stay the hell away from Rhode Island. 2) But, also, I GOT THESE CHEESEBURGERS, MAN! |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 13, 2024 8:41:49 GMT -5
In case anyone needs national perspective on the Sox chances of signing Soto- MLB Network spent about 10 minutes talking about which New York team will sign him. 5 minutes on Toronto being a slight contender because they were serious threats about Ohtani last year(when it came to the money especially). They spent a minute on the Sox. Saying they're not signing Soto. It isn't just a local fan market thing. No one in the world believes the Sox will do what it takes to sign him. "Listen, Harold.* Do the Red Sox have a ton of payroll space? Yes. Do they have a bunch of blue chip prospects set to arrive in Boston, ready to provide a ton more cost-controlled production? Also yes. Have they sent signals that they're interested in making a big splash this offseason? Absolutely. But! Have they given out any mammoth contracts in recent seasons? Affirmative. Was it for a lefty slugger with questionable defense, though? It was in fact. Were they willing to give out the contract because he was an especially young player, much like Soto? Certainly. So are the Red Sox going to sign Soto? Of course not - it wouldn't make any sense!"
*I assume all MLB network guys are named Harold
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Post by Guidas on Nov 13, 2024 9:57:03 GMT -5
If the Sox sign him what happens in 4-6 years when their young guys start getting paid a lot better? Do we have to jettison players because of a high payroll? This is not a low revenue team. And priors suggest some of these young guys will not meet projections, get injured or otherwise provide reasons to keep some and jettison some. |
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