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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 16:05:01 GMT -5
Passan is not actually denying the rumors posted above, which don't claim a contract has been agreed to.
But also: none of those rumors say that another team couldn't match or exceed the Red Sox' offer. In fact are we even sure Gomez is referring to the Red Sox?
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 28, 2024 16:09:17 GMT -5
Here’s a take: the Red Sox offering 12/600 or 13/625 would not even be a break in how they’ve operated in recent years. Both are in line with projections. With some deferred money it would be easy for either to break the nominal $700 number too. I think they’re doing it and they’re gonna get him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 28, 2024 16:10:59 GMT -5
No one has come out and said the numbers aren’t legitimate. But I feel like not enough attention is being paid to the Dodgers in this race. They’re a huge threat. Soto is a generational bat, young, and they could give him a big signing bonus and loads of deferred cash. Never bet against the best executive in sports, Andrew Friedman. Some people might give it to Stevens or Riley but Friedman make them look inept in comparison.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 28, 2024 16:11:12 GMT -5
Here’s a take: the Red Sox offering 12/600 or 13/625 would not even be a break in how they’ve operated in recent years. Both are in line with projections. With some deferred money it would be easy for either to break the nominal $700 number too. I think they’re doing it and they’re gonna get him. Your Killing Me Smalls |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 28, 2024 16:14:35 GMT -5
The fact Soto and judge haven't spoken since the season ended and that Soto and rafi spoke for over an hour has to mean something right? Devers speaks better Spanish than Judge does?  And yes, I know Soto speaks English. Was just feeling punchy, lol. Now that you mention it... do the Yankees have a single other Dominican player these days? Jasson Dominguez is on his way, I guess, but unless there's some marginal reliever I'm overlooking I think that's it. They're pretty light on Latin American players in general.
Not that it matters, probably.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2024 16:15:04 GMT -5
Here’s a take: the Red Sox offering 12/600 or 13/625 would not even be a break in how they’ve operated in recent years. Both are in line with projections. With some deferred money it would be easy for either to break the nominal $700 number too. I think they’re doing it and they’re gonna get him. If the Sox got the figure to 701 million somehow I'd like their chances a lot more. Whether its 600 or 625 million, I think itll be beat by more than 50 million, so hopefully the Sox still are willing to up their offer if needed. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 28, 2024 16:15:45 GMT -5
In my head canon, the Dominican angle is overplayed and the real non-monetary thing exciting Soto is him believing he'll put up Ted Williams numbers in Fenway
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2024 16:16:13 GMT -5
Ugh why did I check this thread? I’m gonna be refreshing til my wife’s head explodes
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 28, 2024 16:16:27 GMT -5
Devers speaks better Spanish than Judge does? And yes, I know Soto speaks English. Was just feeling punchy, lol. Now that you mention it... do the Yankees have a single other Dominican player these days? Jasson Dominguez is on his way, I guess, but unless there's some marginal reliever I'm overlooking I think that's it. They're pretty light on Latin American players in general.
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Post by taiwansox on Nov 28, 2024 16:16:38 GMT -5
Me listening to all these rumors:
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2024 16:19:57 GMT -5
In my head canon, the Dominican angle is overplayed and the real non-monetary thing exciting Soto is him believing he'll put up Ted Williams numbers in Fenway Soto is young enough that if he stays healthy and consistent for the next 13 to 15 years, can play like David Ortiz into his 40s, he has an outside chance of becoming baseball's all-time HR champion. I dont know that Fenway would help him with that, but it would certainly raise his BA to around .300. |
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Post by incandenza on Nov 28, 2024 16:20:47 GMT -5
No one has come out and said the numbers aren’t legitimate. But I feel like not enough attention is being paid to the Dodgers in this race. They’re a huge threat. Soto is a generational bat, young, and they could give him a big signing bonus and loads of deferred cash. Never bet against the best executive in sports, Andrew Friedman. Some people might give it to Stevens or Riley but Friedman make them look inept in comparison. I think Friedman is good at his job, but just handing out wads of cash is not much of a skill. The Red Sox could give him a signing bonus and deferrals, too, if he wants them.
The reporting has been pretty consistent that the Dodgers are not really going all in on Soto. It seems more like two things are going on: a) Boras wants them in the conversation for obvious reasons; b) their attitude is "ehh, might as well stay in the conversation, you never know."
I suppose it's possible that they simply have so much money that they will scoop up every top free agent in every offseason without even troubling themselves too much about it. But it seems unlikely. Soto really would cost them well over a billion dollars with the luxury tax penalties.
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Post by sxfan on Nov 28, 2024 16:26:45 GMT -5
Mike Deportes also reported this 5 hours ago. Who knows what's the truth these days? Ban Dominican reporters.
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Post by orion09 on Nov 28, 2024 16:28:56 GMT -5
That would actually be a bargain for what has been thrown around. Yea 12 years at near 50M AAV isn't likely to get it done I'm afraid but it is probably competitive. If they really do want him they're going to have to up that offer I think. If the report is true, there’s no sense in bidding against yourself. No reason for them to make their absolute max offer out of the gate, especially if Cohen is going to try to match or exceed any other offer. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2024 16:29:13 GMT -5
No one has come out and said the numbers aren’t legitimate. But I feel like not enough attention is being paid to the Dodgers in this race. They’re a huge threat. Soto is a generational bat, young, and they could give him a big signing bonus and loads of deferred cash. Never bet against the best executive in sports, Andrew Friedman. Some people might give it to Stevens or Riley but Friedman make them look inept in comparison. I think Friedman is good at his job, but just handing out wads of cash is not much of a skill. The Red Sox could give him a signing bonus and deferrals, too, if he wants them. The reporting has been pretty consistent that the Dodgers are not really going all in on Soto. It seems more like two things are going on: a) Boras wants them in the conversation for obvious reasons; b) their attitude is "ehh, might as well stay in the conversation, you never know." I suppose it's possible that they simply have so much money that they will scoop up every top free agent in every offseason without even troubling themselves too much about it. But it seems unlikely. Soto really would cost them well over a billion dollars with the luxury tax penalties.
Soto doesnt really fit the profile of what theyve mostly been signing. Soto is going to be at least a dozen years and I doubt the deferral amount will be overly significant like it was for Ohtani. The Dodgers are more likely to grab a closer, starter, and a SS, and probably re-sign Teoscar. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 28, 2024 16:31:17 GMT -5
This brouhaha on Thanksgiving Day reminds me of when my wife and I signed the contract for our first house - at 6:00 pm on Easter Sunday, 1972. That was a time when houses were routinely being snapped up the day they went on the market. Can't we just enjoy our turkey and have the negotiations resume tomorrow? Kudos to you for remembering the day signed the contract on your 1st house. As to A chance of Soto signing on Thanksgiving? Didn't Schilling sign with Boston on turkey day? |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 28, 2024 16:39:28 GMT -5
So through all of this I am of the belief that Papi and Devers have been speaking to Soto, that the Sox offer is 600 - 625 million and that Soto is considering them, but that's as far as I'm going with that.
I still think he will get offers that significantly exceed that and I still think he winds up a Met. I think the Sox are still in the ballgame and battling, but nothing I've read has me convinced- yet.
That Mick guy really doubled down and then slammed back at Passan in a classless manner.
His "Soto to Boston" declarations sound overly confident and premature and he better be right or he is going to look very stupid.
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Post by asm18 on Nov 28, 2024 16:44:48 GMT -5
Mike Deportes also reported this 5 hours ago. Who knows what's the truth these days? Ban Dominican reporters. Saw Rodriguez said the Mets stuff was an opinion, but the Devers call was sourced fwiw |
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 16:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by trotnixon7 on Nov 28, 2024 17:09:48 GMT -5
No one has come out and said the numbers aren’t legitimate. But I feel like not enough attention is being paid to the Dodgers in this race. They’re a huge threat. Soto is a generational bat, young, and they could give him a big signing bonus and loads of deferred cash. Never bet against the best executive in sports, Andrew Friedman. Some people might give it to Stevens or Riley but Friedman make them look inept in comparison. Friedman has done well but it's also a hugely massive advantage to be in a big market with an owner that's willing to spend big money. Freeman, mookie, ohtani, yomomato etc are more "ownership signings" than any type of skill Friedman has. |
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Post by baseballguy350 on Nov 28, 2024 17:24:03 GMT -5
I’m not letting myself get hyped. This is simply ownership leaking to make us all feel something again.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2024 17:24:25 GMT -5
I’m not letting myself get hyped. This is simply ownership leaking to make us all feel something again. No. This is not that. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 28, 2024 17:29:17 GMT -5
I’m not letting myself get hyped. This is simply ownership leaking to make us all feel something again. And what would be the point of that if the end result is we don’t get anyone? I don’t buy the whole narrative that they want the fan base to think they at least tried. I don’t believe they think that has any benefit to them at this point. Trying doesn’t fill the stands. |
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2024 17:31:29 GMT -5
I’m not letting myself get hyped. This is simply ownership leaking to make us all feel something again. Yeah the ownership is leaking stuff to small name podcasters from other countries |
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Nov 28, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5
Against what my co-worker considered +600 odds, I bet one 4-pack of an IPA of his/my choice that the Sox would sign Soto. We were both in the tank after an afternoon at The Boynton. He gladly accepted the bet. I thoroughly enjoyed hustling him.
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