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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2013 21:16:15 GMT -5
Not sure I like #4. I think both will end up overpaid. I wouldn't mind signing/trading for Jefferson if we were keeping Garnett as I think they would fit well together. Then you trade KGs contract to someone looking for cap space (like PP this year, his contract is non guaranteed for 14-15 and he's likely retiring anyway).
I also wouldn't want both of my bench bigs to be undersized PFs. That 2nd unit would struggle.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 25, 2013 21:52:50 GMT -5
Nets interested in KG. Not sure if he'd approve. Also not sure what they could offer. I think Boston likes their international guys (Teletovic and Shengalia) and maybe they could come up with shorter contracts to match the aggregate of KGs salary and one of Lee/Terry/Bass (getting a contract or two off the books).
Would hope we could do better though.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 25, 2013 22:24:08 GMT -5
Not sure I like #4. I think both will end up overpaid. I wouldn't mind signing/trading for Jefferson if we were keeping Garnett as I think they would fit well together. Then you trade KGs contract to someone looking for cap space (like PP this year, his contract is non guaranteed for 14-15 and he's likely retiring anyway). I also wouldn't want both of my bench bigs to be undersized PFs. That 2nd unit would struggle. They will both be overpaid, without a doubt. I think that'd be an entertaining starting 5 though for sure. I'd be open to moving Bass too. Really anyone outside of Rondo, Green, Bradley and Sullinger is tradeable, and those 4 aren't off limits, I just think if they are moved, you are going into full rebuild, which I can't see this team doing (especially with their luck in the lottery). |
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jun 25, 2013 22:40:19 GMT -5
Want the kid Vucivic from Orlando so bad. 29 rebounds in 1 game and was a 13/11 guy. Orlando is in need of a point guard and has a high pick. Trade Rondo and his mental issues to Orlando for #2 draft pick and Vucivic and draft Macklemore and Schroeder. Sell Pierce and Garnett for whatever picks that you can get for them (hopefully next year) even if it means trading Garnett to the Clippers next off season when they are able to.
Pg: Bradley/Schroeder/Williams
Sg: Macklemore/Terry*/Lee*
Sf: Green/min. contract player(s)
Pf: Sullinger/Bass*/White
C: Vucivic/Randolph/Melo
*=contract that would be good to get out from and could be thrown in to Garnett/Pierce deals
This lineup gives us a young team that is full of assets that can be traded for a franchise guy who will also have good young players around him. Use the min. contract players as locker room stabilizers. This team also has cap space
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2013 11:39:12 GMT -5
Based on recent tweets from Chad Ford, Boston would like to take a big at 16 (Olynyk or Adams if they should fall) and then acquire a late 1st or early 2nd to take Missouri PG Phil Pressey (his dad was an assistant with Boston a few years ago).
Also, they are interested in Shane Larkin but likely out on Dennis Schroeder since he wants to come over to the NBA this year and Boston thinks he's too raw. They'd want to keep him in Europe instead of paying him to be in the D-League since it's possible Melo might still need another year there and that's a lot of money for 2 guys not contributing at all.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2013 12:07:22 GMT -5
Adrian Wjonarowski at Yahoo is tweeting that Boston and Brooklyn are discussing a trade involving BOTH KG and Pierce. Ugh. Not a fan of what Brooklyn would have to offer. I assume it would have to include Wallace and Humphries (for salaries to be even close).
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2013 12:21:19 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure that's a Brooklyn source exaggerating the extent to which Ainge seriously considered an offer. Unless Brook Lopez is involved, Brooklyn really has no attractive assets, especially for salary-matching purposes.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2013 12:31:47 GMT -5
Sounds like it would include Wallace, Humphries, Shengelia and 3 1st rounders (though I'm pretty sure Brooklyn would have to send over around $3M more in salaries to make it work - Teletovic would do it from a money perspective).
That doesn't do much for me in that it actually does little for our cap situation for the future (KH is only 1 year but Wallace is 2. Meanwhile this is the last year for Pierce and KG was non-guaranteed next). Hard to believe that Danny's motivation would be 3 1st rounders in the 20s (though next year it sounds like that could be a good player given the projected depth of the draft).
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2013 13:36:40 GMT -5
jmei,
To echo your sentiment:
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Idea of Celts taking G. Wallace's deal to swap Pierce/KG for three non-lottery picks hard to fathom. Give Billy King EOY if he pulls it off
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jun 27, 2013 15:42:19 GMT -5
Not impressed with the players that they have to offer but KH gives us salary relief next year and the 3 first round picks cannot be in consecutive years so it might take 5 years to get all of them (Foresberg ESPN Boston). You never know what their team will be in 5 years so I say do it because KG and Pierce might not fetch anything more on the market. It would still hurt to see them in black tho...
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Post by texs31 on Jun 27, 2013 15:51:12 GMT -5
KG's salary is non-guaranteed (and most feel he's going to retire) so taking on Wallace would not be relief. Plus, Wallace is signed through 2015/16. Unless, they are able to find away to also have Brooklyn take on, at least one of Terry/Lee/Bass, this makes no sense to me. As you said, those picks are 5 years out to be completed. I would think they'd want the bulk of their assets prior to that.
I also believe KG should get you decent market value. He's not the player he once was but he's still pretty damn good (as is Pierce but I think even a "watered-down" FC who can average close to a double-double is a bit rarer.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 27, 2013 15:59:58 GMT -5
I think the players they would receive in return will be part of a sign and trade. I can't imagine that they would be able to unload Wallace, but if they could, this is a great deal for the Celtics. Especially if the first of the 1st round picks is for next year, in a very deep draft.
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2013 17:35:56 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets-pursuing-trade-for-kevin-garnett--paul-pierce-171213145.htmlNets get: Pierce, Garnett, Terry Celtics get: Wallace, Shengelia, Humphries, Evans, Bogans (sign-and-traded), [Minimum-salary player X] (sign-and-traded), 2014/2016/2018 first-round picks I don't really like it, but it might be the best Ainge can get, especially if he's decided to truly tank in 2014. They would dump Terry's salary, but Wallace is under contract for three more years at nearly $10m per year, which might be one of the ten worst contracts in the NBA. The picks are also far into the future and are unlikely to be early in the draft; the 2014 pick will be in the low-to-mid 20s at best, for instance. But one of the 2016/2018 picks (if unprotected) might end up being a great asset considering how old and capped out the new-look Nets would become, and the 2013-14 Celtics might be bad enough to land a high lottery pick. EDIT: picks on the right side of the ledger.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jun 27, 2013 18:28:11 GMT -5
C's get the picks
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 27, 2013 19:09:46 GMT -5
Right, I almost had a stroke thinking it was the other way. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 27, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
@wojyahoonba
Boston has traded for the 13th pick from Dallas, source tells Y!
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Post by kman22 on Jun 27, 2013 20:10:22 GMT -5
Right, I almost had a stroke thinking it was the other way. That would have been a nightmare. |
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2013 20:21:06 GMT -5
Sorry about the pick thing-- have fixed it.
Celtics trade up to 13 for Kelly Olynyk, give up 16 and two 2014 2nd round picks (theirs and Brooklyn's from the JJJ-Brooks trade).
Don't love Olynyk. He's got good post moves but it's a pick-and-roll league these days. Olynyk struggles with just about everything else-- average athleticism, below-average rebounder, not a shot-blocker, average at best defensively, not really a passer. If they're going to go full rebuild, I'd have preferred a higher-upside guy.
Also, his hair is awful.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 27, 2013 22:07:43 GMT -5
Appears to be a done deal. After July 10th, it will be completed officially.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 27, 2013 22:19:35 GMT -5
Olynyk stinks.
The Pierce-KG trade is decent (especially since the C's unloaded that hack Terry), but it will be painful watching them play for another team...especially the Nets. The Celtics should force Rondo to pull a D-Rose and go all in for Wiggins.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 27, 2013 22:50:05 GMT -5
So I see that going for a high pick is becoming appealing. The thing is that fucking lottery but next year its not just Wiggins, if you get a top 5 picks you could get a super talent but obviously you'd want a top 3 pick.
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2013 22:54:33 GMT -5
I don't know that they're going to really bottom out enough unless they also trade Rondo, whose trade value may be at an all-time low. If they'd beaten the Sixers to it and traded Rondo for Noel tonight, I would be cautiously excited about tanktopia, but I suspect the Celtics will only end up in the 7-10 range next year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 27, 2013 23:15:03 GMT -5
Yeah thats true, but maybe by the time he comes back they are bad enough that its better for him to stay out not to risk it  BTW when is he projected to come back? I thought he wouldn't come back before the start of the season. Also while I don't think they will shop him, if a really good offer comes in I think they might do it. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 28, 2013 7:56:37 GMT -5
Hmmm, interesting. I'm reading up on this "stretch provision" thing. The Celtics could actually waive Wallace and spread his cap hit over 7 years (reducing the hit by about $6M for each of the next 3 but adding 4 more years of dead money). Not sure I'd use the provision but I didn't know that existed.
I actually don't mind his money right now bc I honestly believe Boston, with the space, would overpay someone to come here helping them become mediocre. My hope would be that Wallace can have a rebound year and Boston could trade him at the deadline or next year for an additional 1st rounder (they'd probably have to take on a not so great contract for a lesser performing player). Just keep making exchanges that nets you more picks and/or young players until you have the assets to make a move.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 28, 2013 9:13:04 GMT -5
According to Chris Broussard, the final details are in:
Nets get: KG, Pierce and Terry.
Celtics get: Wallace, Humphries, Brooks, Bogans (S&T), Joseph, 1st round picks in 2014 (worse of ATLs and BKNs), 2016 and 2018 as well as the right to swap picks with the Nets in 2017.
They are banking on Brooklyn "selling their souls" for success in the next 2 years and then falling hard starting in the 2016-17 season.
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