2013 Celtics Offseason & Draft Thread

Josh Smith to Detroit. Danny should call them as he and Rondo are buddies. If you can get Drummond . . .

This sums up my thoughts exactly.

13.3 PPG, All-Rookie 1st team, and 2 more years at rookie salary is horrible now? geez

Have you watched him play, or are you just going by stats?

I watched about a dozen Pistons games last year, and it's not an exaggeration to say Knight sucks. He has no position (a 1.5 A/TO ratio ain't gettin it done at point guard), he shoots a terrible percentage from the floor, he's turnover prone, and he probably can't defend me. He's a bad bad basketball player.

Oh, and the Josh Smith experiment isn't going to work. You can't have three guys who operate primarily in the paint on the court at once.

Sure but Boston received Crawford for nothing, not the 2nd piece of a trade for an All Star PG.

WCP, the reason I say awful is strong is bc, for me, there are roles for these type of guys. Problem is his perceived value (specifically by Detroit) is that of a potential starting PG who was just drafted a couple of years ago. That's "over-priced" for him. Once EVERYONE admits that's not what he is, then he has value as a gunner off the bench. I'd also just add that in his Hollinger write-up on ESPN, he's projected to eventually be a pretty good defender (once he learns how to play D in the NBA).

I mean, does Detroit have any assets more attractive than Knight to serve as the second piece of a trade? Would you prefer to receive Kyle Singler or Jonas Jerebko or a future late first-round pick? Knight is clearly still raw as hell, but he has the athleticism, wingspan (6'6"), and three-point range to become a very good combo guard. Remember, he was one of the youngest players in his draft class, and his age-21 second season doesn't look all that different from Russell Westbrook's 2009-10, with far better three-point shooting but fewer assists (but also fewer turnovers). If I'm the Celtics, I might still trade Rondo for Monroe/Drummond if Detroit also took one of the Bass/Lee contracts for expirings (Villanueva and/or Stuckey), but I'd try and hold out for Knight first. Worst-case scenario, he's just bad enough that the Celtics nab Wiggins or Parker or Smart.

The rebound differential is entirely based off offensive rebounds, the 2.7 extra assists are offset by the 0.6 more turnovers, and twice as many blocks is only 0.2 a game more. Knight also shot .373 from three compared to Westbrook's .249. (PS: you missed that Westbrook shot twice as many free throws as Knight, which was the biggest takeaway for me).

My point is not that Knight is the next Westbrook. My point is that writing him off after two seasons is extremely premature, and that players with his profile (athletic but raw and inefficient offensively) can still be quite valuable.

I'd push for the pick. And despite it being so hard to pry 2014 picks from teams, I wonder if Detroit would do it. Given the moves they are making (especially if they go after Rondo), they think they are going to be good. However, I still think this could just as easily be a lottery team. I would love to end up with two lottery picks for 2014. Tough, to be sure, but . . .

If a deal is going to happen I don't think that it will be broken over brandon knight. it will be mostly about picks, how many of the lee, bass, and wallace deals the Celtics can rid themselves of, and the expiring contracts like rodney stuckey

Would you trade Rondo for Moneroe and Knight? Say, something like this: espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqut68l

I would probably do that deal. Monroe has much lower upside but a much higher ceiling; he could be in the discussion for an All-Star spot as soon as 2013. His 2012-13 per 36 min. stats of 17.4 points, 10.4 boards, 3.8 assists, and 1.4 steals on 48.6% shooting are pretty excellent, and he's only 23. Plus, his salary is high enough to let us dump Bass' deal in the same trade, opening up playing time for Sullinger/Olynyk (and space under the luxury tax to boot).

A thousand times yes. Monroe could be a legitimate #3 guy on a championship team - he's flirting with being the most underrated guys in the NBA, and he won't demand as much on his next contract as Rondo.

The Pistons made a horrible decision signing Smith rather than going with the Monroe-Drummond combo (those two play extremely well together). Smith, Monroe and Drummond all operate close or inside the paint, and neither one can handle the ball well enough to really play the wing. They will be looking to shop someone by December.

Monroe was a guy coming out of HS who had character issues and alot of questions about his motor and those same concerns carried over to college but he is now one of the young professionals in basketball and is exactly the type of young player a team would love to have. I really like him as a PF but in Boston he would go to C. I think Drummond and Olynyk would be great togethar. Olynyk at PF were he deff belongs and Sullinger also. Dam that be a set Low post for a long time.

I agree with every about Josh Smith makes no sense to make that deal. They are gonna stick them selfes in the middle of NBA hell. a #6-8 seed team that isnt good anuff to advance past rd 1 year in and year out. They should of held pat tanked again tryed for another high pick to add a stud to the already good yoing pieces and spend money on FA who fit your team down the road in a year or two.