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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2013 9:30:52 GMT -5
I had forgotten that ATL has the right to swap picks with Brooklyn next year. But it's highly unlikely that the Nets are going to be worse than the Hawks next year, so it doesn't matter much. The right to swap picks in 2017 is a nice touch as well.
That said, with Prokhorov at the helm, I find it hard to believe the Nets will really ever bottom out enough that the Celtics get a top 5 or even top 10 pick. Their team is old and capped-out, but ownership has no qualms about spending way beyond the luxury tax limit to put a good team on the floor, and the allure of playing in New York City means they'll be able to attract free agents as Pierce and Garnett retire.
Regardless, this may have been the best deal available, and maybe Wallace rebounds enough next year that we can convince another team to take him off our hands. I think I still would have preferred to see Doc, Paul, and Kevin run it back one more time, but I understand why it had to be this way.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 28, 2013 9:44:17 GMT -5
I hear what you say about Prokhorov but it will be more challenging to do so. They'll have NO cap room until 2016 (I just saw that in 15-16, they're are already $9M ove the cap with only 5 playes under contract - including Plumlee which would actually put them $10-11M over) so they won't be able to just sign FAs to keep it going. The reason they've been able to get these marquee (or previously marquee) players is by using draft picks to get them (absorbing the money along the way). They just lost a big chunk of that ammo in this deal. So it'll be a lot harder to keep this up in the near future.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 29, 2013 14:10:09 GMT -5
Reports now that Mavs/Celtics are talking Rondo. I don't like them as a partner. They don't have great young pieces nor great draft picks.
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Post by ewan25 on Jun 29, 2013 14:18:36 GMT -5
i mean i guess the more picks the better and we would be pretty close to being a bottom team after getting rid of rondo which means a good chance of wiggins, parker or randle
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 29, 2013 14:41:13 GMT -5
I don't like it either, especially since you can have Rondo "take his time" returning from injury. But LeBron is a free agent in 2014...
In all seriousness, there are some whispers about the Celtics setting themselves up for Kevin Love in a couple years. He desperately wants out of Minnesota, and the C's will more than likely have the cap room at that point.
In the meantime, it's all about being as bad as possible before next year's draft.
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Post by jmei on Jun 29, 2013 15:18:48 GMT -5
Reports now that Mavs/Celtics are talking Rondo. I don't like them as a partner. They don't have great young pieces nor great draft picks. I'm not trading Rondo unless I get young, cheap, controllable talent or guaranteed top-10 picks. Just generic unprotected picks or salary relief is not enough. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2013 18:44:52 GMT -5
Agree. Jrue Holiday netted the 6th pick (Noel) and unprotected 1st in 2014 (from a bad team).
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 29, 2013 18:46:06 GMT -5
Minor detail, but isn't that pick top 5 protected?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2013 18:48:20 GMT -5
Actually you might be rihht. I now remember hearing "light protection"
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jun 29, 2013 19:30:54 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, it's actually top 3 protected.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 29, 2013 21:25:54 GMT -5
Yeah I read its top 3 protected, basically Andrew Wiggins insurance.
Is there a bad team out there willing to trade for him? Maybe Sacramento.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2013 21:36:04 GMT -5
Toronto and Orlando have both been interested in Bledsoe. Maybe them?
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Post by jmei on Jun 29, 2013 22:04:36 GMT -5
No chance either would be willing to give up an unprotected pick, though. GMs are too risk-adverse for that sort of thing, at least outside of Brooklyn.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 29, 2013 22:13:40 GMT -5
I read that Boston asked for Dirk.....It was basically telling them they don't have the assets.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 2, 2013 1:19:11 GMT -5
I could see a deal between the Knicks and Celtics were NY takes on all of the C's bad contracts in order to land Rondo.
Knicks get: Rondo, Wallace, Bass and Lee
Celtics get: Amare, Felton, pick(s)
Basically, Amare has 2 years left so he'll be a massive expiring next year. Felton is a suitable replacement on an affordable contract. Wallace and Lee have atrocious contracts so the Knicks would be doing Boston a favor since they could shed payroll much sooner.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 2, 2013 19:17:30 GMT -5
No, no, no, a thousand times no.
You don't trade Rondo unless you can get some sort of value back, and the Knicks have none of that. I think they have something like one 1st-round pick through 2020. Plus, Rondo doesn't have much longer on his contract than Amare, so what would be the point?
Detroit showed some interest in Rajon - get Andre Drummond and it'd be worth trading him.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2013 21:31:06 GMT -5
I'd like to target a team whose expectations exceed reality. Philly was able to get a lottery pick bc the gm was tasked with turning his team into a playoff team. If not, he's probably gone. Hence, his willingness to include the pick.
Another team whose expectations might be grand is Sacramento. Reports are that they are going to offer Iggy a max deal (letting Tyreke Evans go to NO).
I wonder if they might be willing to offer a 1st rounder (w/light protection). I doubt we could get Cousins (and debate in my mind if I'd want him as I still don't know if he'll ever get out of his own way) but I'm sure there is a package that would work.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jul 2, 2013 22:05:54 GMT -5
If you can get Larkin, two future first rounders, and expiring contracts for Rondo, Wallace, Lee, and Bass then you do it.
P.S. Prepare yourself for a terrible season
P.S.S. If you think that tanking is not the right option look no further than OKC and San Antonio, places that don't attract free agents, who got the #2 and #1 picks, respectively, and got the players to build a franchise around (ANDREW WIGGINS).
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Jul 2, 2013 22:12:50 GMT -5
Also 3 team Possibility
Detroit Gets: Wallace, Larkin
Dallas Gets: Rondo, Bass, Lee
Boston Gets: 2014 Detroit 1st rounder, Dallas 20-whatever 1st rounder, Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, Ricky Ledo
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2013 22:17:36 GMT -5
Couple of issues:
1) I don't think Dallas has their own pick next year so it would have to be a subsequent year (would love 1 more pick next year)
2) Unless they turn the Pierce/KG deal into a 3-way, I don't believe you can combine Wallace with other players until much later (Jan or Feb, even?)
I just don't see a fit with Dallas right now unless a 3rd team gets involved.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 2, 2013 22:22:01 GMT -5
That 3-way is better. Still have the Wallace aggregation issues (not sure what the rules on signed or unsigned draft pics are).
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 3, 2013 21:12:42 GMT -5
Woah Brad Stevens is your Celtics coach.
Last time they tanked for a player and hired a College coach it didn't worked as planned.....Lets see this time.
Also I saw a report, don't remember where probably ESPN, that the Pistons were one of the teams interested in Rondo....They are a better match for what the Celtics should be looking for.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 3, 2013 21:20:58 GMT -5
Get Drummond and you have yourself a deal.
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Post by jmei on Jul 3, 2013 21:46:40 GMT -5
The difference is Stevens doesn't have an oversized ego and isn't reliant on shady recruiting strategies. Reports indicate that he's a big stats guy and is defensive-minded, both of which I applaud. Younger, first-time coaches always have that element of the unknown, but if Stevens can get the players on his side, I think he'll fit in terrifically.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 3, 2013 21:52:10 GMT -5
I can't envision Detroit giving up Drummond (I'd be ecstatic). Maybe if they sign Josh Smith and he "asks" them to go get Rondo. I think a more likely return is some 1st rounders and willingness to take on some of our salaries.They have the year-ending deals of Stuckey and Villanueva (around $16M in total) to offset some of the remaining long term deals.
Not sure if that is enough for my tastes though.
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