2013 Celtics Offseason & Draft Thread

Zach Lowe on Detroit: www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9480183/josh-smith-future-detroit-pistons

If a trade were to happen with Detroit and we got Monroe or Drummond, Brandon Bass would be a great fit on that team as a spot-up stretch 4 with Smith at the 3

The Pistons are a laughably bad organization.

He also suffers from thinking he's a better shooter than he is.

I'm actually a Jennings fan and think he'd excel under certain coaches in this league ...but Detroit is just a dreadful fit for him. The Pistons have three big men who complement each other horribly, and a "point guard" who does a terrible job spreading the shots amongst his teammates.

They will be a disaster this season.

I apologize. I thought the "he" was me and not Jennings I agree with wcp3's point.

One thing that could make the Pistons into some sort of team is if they could flip Drummond for Bosh. I don't know if it's enough for Miami and they have just won back-to-back titles so why fix something that's not broke, but a stretch 5 would go a long way towards fixing their spacing issues. Monroe for Stoudermire is also an option if they are in win-now mode.

wcp3-Please, I'm money from 3-point-land all day erray day

I hate the Heat as much as anyone it's despicable and cringe-worthy the way that they build and run their team and that that style of a team can win titles *currently vomiting*, but Bosh, as bad, overrated, and overpaid as he is, is a big man who can hit jumpers and 3's which is more than I can say for any of the players currently in the Pistons front court. Drummond, to me, seems like a more athletic, better Perk: both are 6-10 and 270, can't really shoot, play defense very well, Drummond is a better shot-blocker, rebounder, and a few ticks better in all aspects, but I don't see Yao offensive production from him. He doesn't fit the Heat mold of space the floor and let LeBron and Wade penetrate and kick to the 3 if they need to and whine at the refs for all calls made on the floor that effect ether team until the refs feel like killing themselves and just give them calls.

You are criminally underrating Chris Bosh. He is the perfect fit for Miami's system with his elite-level floor spacing (including Dirk-level efficiency on long 2s), superb pick-and-roll defense (few defenders have both his length and quickness; KG and Joakim Noah are two of the other names that come to mind), and solid ability to facilitate from the elbow. Yeah, his rebounding and rim protection are adequate at best and his teammates certainly make him better, but he is absolutely still an All-Star level big man on another team.

You're also overrating Drummond. He has Tyson Chandler upside, which is nothing to sneeze at, but he'll never be a Shaq- or even Dwight-level offensive centerpiece. He has zero ability to handle the ball or shoot and a super raw post game, with little reason to project significant improvements in those areas (i.e. terrible free throw percentages, mediocre hands, no touch around the basket). His catch-and-finish game has elite potential, as does his defense, but he needs to continue to improve his feel for the game to even approach his ceiling. He looked good in his rookie year, but it's no lock that he continues to improve from here. I'd love him on the Celtics, and the Pistons love him, but he's not exactly a lock to be a top-tier center and could top out as DeAndre Jordan.

I have my doubts about Drummond, but he has higher upside than Tyson Chandler. He's on another planet athletically, he looks like he'll be an elite rebounder, and the criticisms about his "feel for the game" are overstated because he's (going to be) a historically bad free throw shooter.

Aside from his athleticism, one of the things that has always "WOWED" me about Drummond - from the times I've seen him in high school through his rookie season - has been his passing. He can flat-out drop dimes, and once his experience catches up to his physical ability, I can see him averaging 3-4 apg from the center position.

Also, I've always been a Bosh defender (Bosh the player, at least), but holy **** was he bad this postseason. As in there were multiple games during the playoffs where it wasn't a stretch to say Bosh was the best player for the other team. He was never a shoe-in for the HOF, but he should permanently lose a spot from this postseason alone.

The Pistons signed Smith and put themselves in a bad sot, but how can you fix that mistake without moving Drummond or Monroe?

Bosh is a nice NBA player, but he is a glorified role player who has ups and downs and should flat out never be a first or second option on offense (look at how far those Raptors teams went). His "superb pick-and-roll defense" had him good for number 92 in DRTg last season in the NBA. Which is not good. Plus, he's a worse defensive rebounder than Dirk, who is very well known for being a bad rebounder. His rim protection is flat out NOT adequate at best.



Andre Drummond had a higher PER last season than Chris Bosh. If you think he has "Tyson Chandler" upside, you don't watch NBA very closely. He's already much better than DeAndre Jordan and we would not even be having this conversation had the Pistons not stuck with Jason Maxiell over him, for whatever reason (while he was clearly the better option, mind you).

Yes, he needs to improve in some areas, but it's a much safer bet that he does that than Chris Bosh being a more valuable player (considering the contract situation as well) than him. Only DeMarcus Cousins has a higher upside than him among big men in the NBA.

Before the season starts, I would expect 1 of Bass/Humphries and 1 of Brooks/Crawford/Lee to be traded.

BTW - Gary Washburn, among others, insist that Detroit is still interested in Rondo. All indicate that Jennings could be used in a trade to get him (I hope that it would be a 3-Team deal as I'm not interested in Jennings - though my knowledge on him is sketchy, admittedly).