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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 11:24:35 GMT -5
First, Grissom and Franchy and even remotely alike, in any way imaginable. Second, Grissom's ceiling is far higher than Yorke's. I've been a big Yorke fan, but given the depth at middle IF, I'd rather trade Yorke and keep Grissom. There are so many other 2B options (Campbell, Rimer, Arias, ZAnatello, Cespedes, etc). Third, We don't knowe if it was even a choice on the Sox end. Pirates might have been keyed on on Yorke. I guess I just don't understand why people feel this way. Their profiles look extremely similar to me, right down to the injury struggles and the question marks about the glove.
Grissom has a minor league batting average of. 320 throughout his minor league career. Yorke is nowhere near that - is he around .270? I dont see how they're that similar.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 11:20:50 GMT -5
Why do some people want Pivetta to the bullpen? He's probably about the only semi-consistent and reliable guy on the MLB team that I would trust to supply IPs the rest of the way. If it comes down to it and hes needed, he could really play up big in a post season series out of the pen in high leverage. Have a feeling hed take to that like a duck to water, but all of Houck, Crawford, Bello, and Paxton would have to be playoff start worthy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 11:06:15 GMT -5
Name a pitcher that doesn't have any risk of injury Cy Young no chance he's getting injured.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 10:01:27 GMT -5
I wonder if the Sox take on some money and trade for Chad Green to be their setup guy. I would think high leverage setup pitching for a reasonable player acquisition cost would necessitate spending to mitigate that prospect cost somewhat.
As opposed to giving up too much for a closer like a Fairbanks or a Finnegan or a Tanner Scott or a controllable guy like Erceg.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 9:52:39 GMT -5
Rosenthal was saying the Sox are targeting a right handed hitter (infielder?), relief help, and a starter. He also said they’ve checked in on Garrett Crochet, I assume in the same way I’ve checked the prices on an Aston Martin Connecting the dots I'm guessing Rengifo from the Angels if the plan is to let Grissom stay in AAA. Maybe Luis Garcia from the Angels. Maybe Valdez plus Wiki plus a lower level prospect that might not be somebody a lot of us would want to see go like am Allan Castro?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 16:46:41 GMT -5
I love the trade. Hopefully Nicholas Judice pans out to pair with Priester. I can hear the GDT titles already. Well if you think that, you've gotta 'nother thing coming
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 15:06:06 GMT -5
Well hello there, Farhan (For context, Snell’s player option for next year has an AAV of close to 30 mil, but half is deferred until 2027. But unless Snell’s arm explodes in the next few months it’s hard to imagine he can’t beat “15 mil in 2025 and 15 mil two years later” even if he has to do another pillow contract of some sort.) Which would limit the return as well, no? Itll just be teams with the money to spend. I'd like Snell if the player cost was low. I'd rather sign Burnes instead, but a bird in the hand...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:56:22 GMT -5
That's utterly ridiculous. If he does figure it out over the next several years that extra year of control will be huge. How one could come to any other conclusion and would rather see him continue to get lit upon the majors is mind boggling. Yes how stupid of me not to account for 2030 which also happens to be the year they will finally call up a 28 year old Marcelo Mayer for his first game Exaggerate much?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:27:06 GMT -5
Expecting this man to read seems to be a big ask. Even if it saves a year of control it doesn’t matter if he can’t figure it out in the big leagues and his best chance to figure it out is with Bailey starting the rest of the season not in AAA which blows and wasting time for some year which in all probability won’t matter That's utterly ridiculous. If he does figure it out over the next several years that extra year of control will be huge. How one could come to any other conclusion and would rather see him continue to get lit upon the majors is mind boggling.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:13:45 GMT -5
Probably not. O’s tried that ride last year. Theyre going for his teammate Skubal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:12:41 GMT -5
Didn’t read through the thread yet so someone may have said this but this guy sounds almost like the Nick Yorke of pitching prospects Kind of a good assessment.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:12:16 GMT -5
He clearly has some things to work on that Bailey and Co want him to work on. Plus as already mentioned, you retain an extra year of control if you hold him off the MLB roster for another couple of weeks. However, calling Crawford and Pivetta bums is literally such a bad take that I’m not sure where to even start. No you don’t his clock has already started. That only applies to guys not pass rookie limits They get him for an extra year if they keep him in the minors for a month. He needs 172 days of service. He's around 133. He stays down for a month they get an extra year of control. Read mlbtraderumors.com if you dont believe me
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -5
One interesting aspect of the deal is that when you think of the 2025 rotation you pencil in a quintet of Houck, Crawford, Bello, Giolito, and Priester, meaning they probably dont need to spend money to retain Pivetta.
Really, they should give Burnes a huge offer. It would make them six deep in the rotation with 2 veterans and 4 younger guys. Injuries will occur to whittle the rotation number down to 5, but they can find depth options to go with Criswell who I forgot about.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 14:01:07 GMT -5
Flaherty scratched from Today's start. Who gets him? I'll guess the Dodgers
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 13:27:27 GMT -5
I like the idea of the trade but don't know if I'll ultimately like the trade. The Sox have surplus of 2b and there's no way Breslow traded Chris Sale to acquire Grissom just so they can give up on him so quickly after injuries and illness. Breslow decided Grissom is the best long term candidate for 2b rather than Yorke, although I wonder what Campbell's burst onto the scene is regarded as, but he can play OF, which Yorke really doesnt do naturally. So I like that they're getting a young controllable starting pitcher but I dont know what kind of ceiling Priester has and I doubt he really help the 2024 Red Sox as his numbers have been largely uninspiring. Of course he's a long term investment. I guess he has some pedigree but I dont know if they see him as a cheap back end or if they think he can be a mid rotation starter. I dont really subscribe to the Andrew Bailey and company will fix him thing as I watch the Red Sox pitching fail nightly now. Hope I'm wrong but I just ont think that the Sox have the secret sauce in Baileu that other teams dint have and I say that as a guy who likes Bailey and thinks he's doing a good job but an weary of treating him like he'll magically fix pitchers. I'm still wondering why Bello has struggled so much, when he should be improving. The idea behind the trade was good. And I hope Priester makes it 3 former Pitates who succeed in Boston joining Tim Wakefield and Bronson Arroyo, but that remains to be seen. Yorke should be useful to the Pirates, an everyday regular. I just hope Breslow made the right 2b decision. I think he did, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. They also got relief from half of Sale's contract. I don't know how married Breslow is to Grissom. I agree you don't give up on him after being plagued with injury and illness, but he might also have been "best available prospect" while also getting a team to eat 16 million for a guy who was highly questionable to give you 15 starts. I think Grissom will get his chance, but Breslow won't hesitate to move on from him if better options present themselves. He should be a good bat (Pedroia-lite), but an absolute butcher defensively that they're hoping can be somewhat fixed with regular reps at 2B. I dont think they got THAT much relief for Sale. They paid a good chunk of Sale's deal to get Grissom. But yes, if Grissom fails, theyll look elsewhere, but he will (and should) get a long leash.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 13:24:39 GMT -5
Breslow decided Grissom is the best long term candidate for 2b rather than Yorke, although I wonder what Campbell's burst onto the scene is regarded as, but he can play OF, which Yorke really doesnt do naturally. I really hope they right. It's been one thing after another for Grissom, all in all a huge disappointment. Me, too. I think they're right though. I mean Grissom at a young age hit everywhere, consistently well over .300. Yorke raked in A ball, got hurt, struggled in AA, and was better this year but not particularly great. Then he goes to AAA and takes, but taking in Worcester is hardly a feat. Dalbec and Kavadas rake there too. Yorke is a lot younger, so yeah, its more likely to be legit, but still, how do you explain his ordinary tenure in AA? I do think Yorke will hit in the majors, maybe poor man's Todd Walker, perhaps, whatever that looks like? As a hitter I think of Grissom as Pedroia lite, so I think Pedroa lite > Walker lite, and neither one is great defensively. Grissom couldn't handle SS, but Yorke wasnt even tried there so I dont thonk either has a big defensive edge though you'd think a guy who got a chance at SS would be more athletic?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 13:09:18 GMT -5
I like the idea of the trade but don't know if I'll ultimately like the trade.
The Sox have surplus of 2b and there's no way Breslow traded Chris Sale to acquire Grissom just so they can give up on him so quickly after injuries and illness.
Breslow decided Grissom is the best long term candidate for 2b rather than Yorke, although I wonder what Campbell's burst onto the scene is regarded as, but he can play OF, which Yorke really doesnt do naturally.
So I like that they're getting a young controllable starting pitcher but I dont know what kind of ceiling Priester has and I doubt he really helps the 2024 Red Sox as his numbers have been largely uninspiring.
Of course he's a long term investment. I guess he has some pedigree but I dont know if they see him as a cheap back end or if they think he can be a mid rotation starter.
I dont really subscribe to the Andrew Bailey and company will fix him thing as I watch the Red Sox pitching fail nightly now. Hope I'm wrong but I just dont think that the Sox have the secret sauce in Bailey that other teams dont have and I say that as a guy who likes Bailey and thinks he's doing a good job but am weary of treating him like he'll magically fix pitchers. I'm still wondering why Bello has struggled so much, when he should be improving.
The idea behind the trade was good. And I hope Priester makes it 3 former Pitates who succeed in Boston joining Tim Wakefield and Bronson Arroyo, but that remains to be seen. Yorke should be useful to the Pirates, an everyday regular.
I just hope Breslow made the right 2b decision. I think he did, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2024 9:37:32 GMT -5
It’s not all on Cora but you can’t let the team fall apart 3 straight years on your watch and get an extension Have you noticed that Bloom was fired and not Cora? What does that tell about how the blame pie was assessed? And you did notice many pundits pointing out the Sox FO not doing enough to improve the winter this roster? So what are you realistically expecting the team to be? A juggernaut? He's has mediocre teams that at times were even worse than that. This team clearly needed more pitching but the answer was Bailey can fix them. Apparently Bailey isnt the miracle worker he was reputed to be and working and the pitching talent needed improvement. Despite all that, the team is in contention for the watered down postseason qualification and just needs to finish in front of a couple of other flawed teams like the Ms and Royals
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 23:12:02 GMT -5
2 of those 3 games against Seattle occur after the deadline so I dont think it'll influence any moves 1 way or the other. D'OH - yup. I clearly need sleep. Well, then tomorrow is quite a huge game. Wonder if the decision is already baked in based on post ASG play? Will be interesting for sure. I think Breslow said his decision is based on the body of the whole work which means a crappy 9 game stretch doesnt overrule the totality of them playing reasonably well and being tight in the thick of contention for a playoff spot, which they are. Tomorrows game doesnt change that scenario.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 22:59:58 GMT -5
Next three games are huge - last three before a tough road trip (Texas, KC). Gilbert/Castillo/Kirby, all very good pitchers, but right handed (thankfully). If we fold like cheap suits again, it will be only 3 games over .500 and one possible direction for the deadline. If we sweep, it is 9 over .500 and we knock down a WC competitor and it shows Breslow something. 2 of those 3 games against Seattle occur after the deadline so I dont think it'll influence any moves 1 way or the other.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 22:37:33 GMT -5
Glad I didnt spend more than 5 minutes watching the game tonight. I knew theyd get their ass kicked tonight.
It would be tough to play much worse than they have since the all star break. Practically every pitcher has been awful and contributed to losing. Their situational hitting has been awful. That play last night where Rafaela and the 3td base coach werent paying attention was embarrassing.
Despite that they're only 1 game out. I'm glad the top of the farm is intact but disappointed that the best they could do for upgrades is adding a starter who has pitched poorly since last August, a backup catcher, and a relief pitcher who is awful. I truly hope they can really improve their team without giving up their top 5 and Arias. There's still time but I'm getting worried that they wont improve their team. They're only 1 game out of a playoff spot so punting would be monumentally stupid, but now they do have to watch out for Seattle. They dont have to build their team to catch Baltimore and New York but they certainly need to be better than 2 of KC, Minn, and Seattle, which is doable, despite their shitty week and a half of craptastic baseball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 20:32:25 GMT -5
Breslow should call everyone tonight put it all up for sale and call up Mayer. End this embarrassment and Cora is a joke 3 straight years he’s let this team fall apart 1 game out if a playoff spot. Punt. Brilliant. And even better, have Mayer jump from AA to the majors because its not like that would be a tough jump to make or anything like that. Engeniused.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 18:27:49 GMT -5
Not feeling it tonight. I think they're going to get blown out. The pitching has collapsed, starters, relievers, doesn't matter. They're all getting clobbered. Cant win that way.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 14:49:45 GMT -5
We are his 8th team. Ugh. Jeez, if this is their bullpen help then I congratulate them because they found somebody worse than Chase Anderson.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 13:53:00 GMT -5
Cubs acquire Paredes from the Rays For Christopher Morel and two minor leaguers.
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