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Post by ikonos on Apr 29, 2018 18:15:43 GMT -5
Not defending John Henry and company, but MLB teams have to pay at least 120 minor league players to play in their farm system every year to the opposed AHL and G League (minor league) rosters of the NBA and NHL. Between Low A, A Ball, High A ball, AA, and AAA. That's a lot of players that need to get paid. So if they tripled (minimum) salaries, they'd have to pay a total of $4.2 million instead of $1.4 million. Whoa, how could they possibly afford that with all of these new $30 billion tv deals? Agree with the general sentiment they should be paid better and baseball should consider it as an investment. The numbers presented are base pay and employers typically spend 25-35% more on top of the base pay to account for various payroll taxes and benefits. Is the fault completely with baseball owners or does players union share some of the blame? The share of the revenue that goes towards payroll is finite and players union want a bigger portion of that pie for their members than the "potential" future members. I wish minor league players get paid more though.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 21, 2017 6:27:09 GMT -5
The Yankees were on a pace for over 100 wins. Now it's obvious Cashman fielded a team they can win some games with, but they also have serious holes. The relievers are mediocre at best, and the pitching staff is all over the map. Sabathia gets by on guile these days, and Tanaka hasn't looked quite right for a long time. Pineda has very good and very bad days,... and so on. Severino has looked the best, but I don't know that you want a 23 year-old carrying the team on his back. They can compete and they're likely to stay in the race, but the pressure will be enormous to trade for mercenaries to put them over the top. That's true in New York even more so than Boston. What will they be willing to give up, what will it cost them?
I don't believe they're a 100 win team so they were due for a fall. But I'll bet they stick around. Over the years, I felt Cashman may overpay for FA but they dont seem to do that in trades.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 18, 2017 23:17:40 GMT -5
2 of 3. awsome
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Post by ikonos on Jun 18, 2017 23:06:51 GMT -5
6 runs on 8 hits for Sox and 5 runs on 13 hits. Are we seeing Sox and situational hitting mentioned positively in the same sentence today?
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Post by ikonos on Jun 18, 2017 21:51:13 GMT -5
Top of 6, price at 104 pitches with 3 walks and Sox leading 3-2. I was thinking that has to be it for price and no need to bring him for few more pitches. Well what do you know what Farrell thinks. AND with 2 right handed power hitters coming up. I can only assume, it goes some thing like today I am gonna stretch Price to 110-115 pitches and as long as the game is still in hand, he is going for that irrespective of everything else. I am sure I second guessed Tito but probably not as much as Farrell.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 18, 2017 21:40:13 GMT -5
Top of 6, price at 104 pitches with 3 walks and Sox leading 3-2. I was thinking that has to be it for price and no need to bring him for few more pitches. Well what do you know what Farrell thinks.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 17, 2017 22:42:36 GMT -5
Interesting thread and I am not a believer in the viability of this plan for various reasons and I think they can spend the money in other ways with out risking the wrath of the league. 1) Redsox has an issue for not being able to develop draft picks well. Could the money be spent on addressing those by getting better coaches and methods? Why dont they get the top coaches? Could it be economics? Could it be more difficult than we believe? 2) Teams like Houston went from floor to the top not just by picking at the top of the draft. They probably had a better scouting operation and better talent evaluaters or better decision makers at the helm. They could spend that money there and do it the right way. Why dont every team do this? 3) Draft picks picked in first round flame routinely because there is much more to why they become a productive player in MLB than just talent. 4) MLB is a group of 30 rich guys (certain level of ego comes with being rich) collectively agree on a group of people to run the league. Some of those owners have varying degrees of interest/influence on the league management. Assuming they will look away when one of them is trying to get a leg up by exploiting the rules is not reasonable. They can find ways (unpublished in the rule book) to punish the offending team with out recourse or just blackball the team. There will be no wrath of the league, it's 100% within the rules. You wouldn't be breaking any rules. Not a single one. It's no different than what we did for Moncada. What happend there? The rules got changed to a hard cap. We did have to deal with the wrath of the league. Come on Houston absolutely is where they are now due to a crap load of high picks. Where do you think there top players came from? The tanked for years to get top pick after top pick. How is the Red Sox scouting bad? Or us developing players? Or our coaches? Have you looked at the major league team and all the top prospects we dealt? Sure seems to me we are good at scouting, coaching and developing our young players. Remember this we didn't have like 5 years of top 5 picks either like Houston did. What the Red Sox have done is far more impressive than what Houston did. I am not sure Moncada is a good example as he was open for any ones bidding and Redsox went for it. As far as I know, I dont think there are any limits or restrictions on his signing. Houston is not the first team that had top picks year after year and not all of them turned in to a world series contender few years later. If you look at Tampa, dont you think what turned them around is the hiring of Maddon? As for Red Sox, I always thought their scouting is good. But my point is the money can be spent to make it better. Regarding developing young players, my focus was on pitching as I dont remember many pitchers they developed over the last 15 years (since I have been following them) from the ametuer draft. Off the cuff I can only remember Lester, Papelbon, Masterson and I guess you can add Bard before he fizzled out.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 17, 2017 9:44:27 GMT -5
Interesting thread and I am not a believer in the viability of this plan for various reasons and I think they can spend the money in other ways with out risking the wrath of the league. 1) Redsox has an issue for not being able to develop draft picks well. Could the money be spent on addressing those by getting better coaches and methods? Why dont they get the top coaches? Could it be economics? Could it be more difficult than we believe? 2) Teams like Houston went from floor to the top not just by picking at the top of the draft. They probably had a better scouting operation and better talent evaluaters or better decision makers at the helm. They could spend that money there and do it the right way. Why dont every team do this? 3) Draft picks picked in first round flame routinely because there is much more to why they become a productive player in MLB than just talent. 4) MLB is a group of 30 rich guys (certain level of ego comes with being rich) collectively agree on a group of people to run the league. Some of those owners have varying degrees of interest/influence on the league management. Assuming they will look away when one of them is trying to get a leg up by exploiting the rules is not reasonable. They can find ways (unpublished in the rule book) to punish the offending team with out recourse or just blackball the team.
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Post by ikonos on Dec 16, 2016 9:20:53 GMT -5
I have not been following this off season as closely but given Koji and Tazawa cheap signings elsewhere compared to other reliever signings on the FA market, why did the Sox not attempt to (able to) keep atleast one of them? They have been able to pitch in BOS environment and we have had trouble filling the last couple bullpen slots with good quality relievers. What gives? Did the new FO not value them as much as the prior FO did? Or are they completely washed out? Interested in hearing your perspectives.
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Post by ikonos on Oct 6, 2016 19:28:35 GMT -5
I'm ready to go to the Spanish feed. Amd I know all od 20 words in Spanish. Hate these announcers already. Where are you watching? My MLB.TV App blocked the playoffs.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 29, 2016 1:39:28 GMT -5
So successful managers have their sucess disregarded as outliers because they don't fit your arguments, got it. There's not a single goal post that won't be moved when blaming anything on Farrell, right? I clearly indicated why I consider it an outlier. If the teams were above avg in the remaining years, then you can consider 2013 is not an outlier. Since they were below average (last in the division) in other years, it has to be considered an outlier.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 29, 2016 0:52:16 GMT -5
A talented team with an avg manager under-performs their talent level but a less talented team under a good manager over-performs their talent level. It happens in all walks of life including sports. Look no further than successful managers, they dont always have good teams but they get the best out of the team they have. The results of the Redsox the last few years screams they dont have a good manager. (2013 has to be considered an outlier as there are bottom dwelling the remaining years)
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Post by ikonos on Jul 20, 2016 5:20:07 GMT -5
There is a lot more love for Curveball than I expected. I am thinking a fastball/slider combo more effective for a LHP (reminding me of Randy Johnson) while a fastball/changeup combo more effective for a RHP (Pedro)?
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Post by ikonos on Jul 19, 2016 1:24:37 GMT -5
I was at the Mariners game today and Chris Sale was dealing for the WhiteSox throwing 8 scoreless innings before SEA scored 4 runs off of our old MFY Robertson in the bottom of 9th to win the game. Chris Sale threw mostly Fastballs and what looked to me like sliders and every time I look at the scoreboard it is one of those two. That got me thinking about what one plus pitch besides a plus fastball you want your starting pitcher to have. I always considered change up to be that pitch until today's game.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 12, 2016 16:48:30 GMT -5
I am confused by Groome not taking a physical yet, this seems to be part of a dumb strategy; take the physical and then decide what you want to do; After learning this, I don't think he is getting/taking good advice If I were his advisor I would not let him take the physical until after signing the deal. Taking the physical before signing the deal only gives the leverage to the Redsox. If the reported number of 3.5m is correct, then the final number will be closer to 3.75m than to 4m.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 10, 2016 12:17:21 GMT -5
In fairness it did not appear Lester worked very hard to try and stay in Boston and when he left he simply went to the team that offered him the most money. There were also reports he wasn't wild about going to the Giants due to the taxes there which gives you the idea of the mindset he had, since their offer was very high too. I am sure familiarity with the executive team has to be one of the reason in his and Lackey signing there.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 16, 2016 23:25:06 GMT -5
When your team under perform three years in a row just assume the primary goal management sets to the persons in charge is to get back to playing meaningful games and get the buzz back. Kimbrel trade is the first salvo. As pitching is its primary weakness, they will assuredly try to improve it to get to the top of the division. You want to think of the future but you also don't want to ignore present. Just hope they make rational trades.
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Post by ikonos on Jun 12, 2016 9:55:01 GMT -5
Where is the draft signing thread with projections. I always liked that and the draft discussion threads. Cant wait for both of them bubbling with signings and stories. As much leverage as Groome has to go back into the draft to improve on his draft position, next years draft is supposed to be even stronger draft. Teams let him slip by to 12th this year not because of his on field talent but because of other things and that is something he cant easily change with on field performance. Not coming to terms with Redsox only add to that. I do think he will sign because of that. Difference between projected 4M that will take him to sign and his slot of 3.12M is roughly 900K but if they dont sign him and lose that 3.12M they will also lose roughly $150k from that 900K. Edit: I see Mike Andrews posted the projections right after I asked for it. Thank you Mike
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Post by ikonos on May 15, 2016 21:15:07 GMT -5
I really think that something can be worked out with him. Let's remember that we signed him from some kind of semi-professional league in Japan (he wasn't coming from HS) and he asked the NPB not to draft him because he wanted to sign with the Red Sox and a rule was passed by the NPB because of that (The rule require corporate player who signs overseas to sit three years before he can join a Japanese team). He stated multiple times that the team took good care of him after the TJS and in the farm system so my delisional self think that he'll sign a deal with home discount to stay with the only US organization he knew. This would be his first chance to make big bucks and with reliever life uncertain I doubt he will take a hometown discount. He probably can pitch better than here in pitcher friendly parks which will enable him to get another contract again. He probably thinks he already gave hometown discount for playing the last 6 years for below market value.
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Post by ikonos on Apr 30, 2016 13:47:18 GMT -5
If you have MLB tv, can you see MiLB games specially the Greenville game today?
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Post by ikonos on Apr 9, 2016 14:37:34 GMT -5
Watching Koji pitch even when he did not have his best is pure baseball porn.
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Post by ikonos on Nov 24, 2014 13:36:36 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast. Because the vesting option is probably attached to his health which is a concern. You are not guaranteeing fully 5 year. Had to give up AAV for that. I understand that part but it would only make any sense if there is meaningful difference between the numbers and at 4/88 and 5/90 I dont see that difference.
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Post by ikonos on Nov 24, 2014 13:22:33 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast.
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Post by ikonos on Nov 22, 2014 14:42:32 GMT -5
I read that the way the Yankees do it is if there interested in someone they tell them get your offers and call them last. Then they offer them more and give the player like 24 hrs standing offer. Isn't that ripe for manipulation? Yankees tell that to a player and he gets offers for X amount and he tells MFY he is getting X+Y and then MFY will have to offer X+Y+Z to get him.
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Post by ikonos on Jul 31, 2014 19:52:26 GMT -5
May be the abundance of FA arms might have factored in to the Rays decision to trade him now and accept the package they got for Price.
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