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Post by nomar on Nov 22, 2014 21:23:50 GMT -5
Pot cello would be the minimum I would want for Cespedes. It's a pretty fair deal though. A rotation where he is the #2 probably wouldn't get us to the playoffs IMO.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 23, 2014 21:25:29 GMT -5
Pot cello would be the minimum I would want for Cespedes. It's a pretty fair deal though. A rotation where he is the #2 probably wouldn't get us to the playoffs IMO. What if sherzer is the ace, followed by porcello, Buchholz, kelly and Webster. Could that rotation be playoff worthy?
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Post by jdb on Nov 23, 2014 22:03:53 GMT -5
Got to admit if we do (which I doubt) sign HanRam and Pablo it makes Cespedes and the OF even more interesting. We were thinking of a LF platoon in LF but what if you packaged Cespedes and Napoli and put a Nava, Craig and perhaps Fransico platoon at 1B. I think the Mariners could use a LF and 1B and maybe we could flip whatever to Philly for Hammels.
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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 24, 2014 11:30:32 GMT -5
How about Cespedes and Cechinni for Iwakuka and a reliever, maybe Furbush?
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 24, 2014 11:42:13 GMT -5
How about Cespedes and Cechinni for Iwakuka and a reliever, maybe Furbush? Not sure why they'd want Cechini. Seager is terrific and entrenched at third, and Cespedes would plug LF or RF. They have a quality OF in Saunders (who they may trade because they're stupid), plus Ackley and Lo-Mo. Napoli may be nearly as attractive to them as Cespedes, BTW. ADD: Oh, and hey look: Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 40s41 seconds ago Breaking: Kyle Seager, Mariners on the verge of a seven-year, $100M extension.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 24, 2014 22:16:08 GMT -5
How about Cespedes and Cechinni for Iwakuka and a reliever, maybe Furbush? Not sure why they'd want Cechini. Seager is terrific and entrenched at third, and Cespedes would plug LF or RF. They have a quality OF in Saunders (who they may trade because they're stupid), plus Ackley and Lo-Mo. Napoli may be nearly as attractive to them as Cespedes, BTW. ADD: Oh, and hey look: Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 40s41 seconds ago Breaking: Kyle Seager, Mariners on the verge of a seven-year, $100M extension. I would have to think that Napoli would be much more attractive to them; he's a better all around hitter, hits for as much or more power, plays a position of at least as much need for them, and can be offered the qualifying offer in a year (assuming they aren't going to extend whichever one they theoretically trade for).
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Post by jmei on Nov 24, 2014 22:26:30 GMT -5
The Mariners are a fit for both Cespedes and Napoli, but I've become increasingly skeptical that Seattle (or any other team) really wants to do a lateral trade where they weaken one part of their team to strengthen another.
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 22:47:10 GMT -5
Maybe Seattle is of the opinion that say they trade Iwakuma/Walker for Cespedes, they can sign someone like Santana to offset that loss.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 24, 2014 23:04:42 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox could pull off a huge trade with ssn Diego with cespedes, Rubby, ranaudo and Mercedes going to San diego for Tyson Ross and quackenbush in return.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 25, 2014 9:47:57 GMT -5
Yea all the talk is how pitching is at a surplus and teams are clamoring for offense, especially RHH, which Boston has an abundance of. I certainly understand why Seattle would make a move like this and then sign a pitcher. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking they don't have money either. That owner has spent in the past and will again.
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Post by danr on Nov 25, 2014 11:29:21 GMT -5
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Post by bmitchsox on Nov 25, 2014 11:51:17 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks we should do everything to keep Cespedes? I personally think he will have a better offensive campaign than anyone besides Ortiz. I was really impressed by what I saw last year, and think he benefits from hitting at Fenway. I would rather deal Napoli and a couple of our plethora of prospects and put Ramirez at 1st (less risk of injury). I just think Cespedes' bat is pretty damn valuable and he will only continue to get better.
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 25, 2014 11:56:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks we should do everything to keep Cespedes? Yes.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 25, 2014 12:00:08 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks we should do everything to keep Cespedes? I personally think he will have a better offensive campaign than anyone besides Ortiz. I was really impressed by what I saw last year, and think he benefits from hitting at Fenway. I would rather deal Napoli and a couple of our plethora of prospects and put Ramirez at 1st (less risk of injury). I just think Cespedes' bat is pretty damn valuable and he will only continue to get better. I think Hanley's position is locked in at this point. I don't think he would be here if they told him he would be playing 1st.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 25, 2014 12:14:52 GMT -5
Heyman on with Gresh and Zo doesn't think Cespedes straight up for a Seattle starter would get it done. And was fairly emphatic with his thought
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 12:17:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks we should do everything to keep Cespedes? I personally think he will have a better offensive campaign than anyone besides Ortiz. I was really impressed by what I saw last year, and think he benefits from hitting at Fenway. I would rather deal Napoli and a couple of our plethora of prospects and put Ramirez at 1st (less risk of injury). I just think Cespedes' bat is pretty damn valuable and he will only continue to get better. I'd put money on Napoli having a better season than Cespedes.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 25, 2014 12:49:26 GMT -5
I'd put money on Napoli having a better season than Cespedes. I don't know I think it'd be close. If either one were in the Red Sox line up with Ramirez hitting 3rd Ortiz 4th and Sandoval 5th followed by Cespedes or Napoli I would project. 2015 Cespedes NapoliAVG 260 255 RUNS 89 80 HR 24 26 RBI 100 75 SB 7 1
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 13:44:24 GMT -5
You gotta care about walks though. That's where Napoli kills him.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 25, 2014 13:59:29 GMT -5
I'd put money on Napoli having a better season than Cespedes. I don't know I think it'd be close. If either one were in the Red Sox line up with Ramirez hitting 3rd Ortiz 4th and Sandoval 5th followed by Cespedes or Napoli I would project. 2015 Cespedes NapoliAVG 260 255 RUNS 89 80 HR 24 26 RBI 100 75 SB 7 1 Nice choice of stats...
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 25, 2014 14:09:32 GMT -5
I don't know I think it'd be close. If either one were in the Red Sox line up with Ramirez hitting 3rd Ortiz 4th and Sandoval 5th followed by Cespedes or Napoli I would project. 2015 Cespedes NapoliAVG 260 255 RUNS 89 80 HR 24 26 RBI 100 75 SB 7 1 Nice choice of stats... Your welcome to include the stats that you would like. Do you think they still would not be close to the same player or do you believe one will have a better season then the other?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2014 14:10:34 GMT -5
Just want to suggest that any posts relating solely to a potential M's trade go in that thread.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2014 14:11:20 GMT -5
Your welcome to include the stats that you would like. Do you think they still would not be close to the same player or do you believe one will have a better season then the other? I think his point is that a) runs and RBI are terrible ways to evaluate players given how context-driven they are, and b) neither of them steals bases, so the inclusion of that stat just doesn't make any sense. We don't expect anyone to be a sabermetrician or anything, but c'mon now. EDIT: Also, jimed was making basically the same point in a more sarcastic way, I'm pretty sure.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 25, 2014 14:12:21 GMT -5
You gotta care about walks though. That's where Napoli kills him. I do. I'm just not sold on the idea that his walks translate into more runs or wins.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 14:15:00 GMT -5
You gotta care about walks though. That's where Napoli kills him. I do. I'm just not sold on the idea that his walks translate into more runs or wins. Even Ted Williams knew this wasn't true.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Nov 25, 2014 14:29:33 GMT -5
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