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Yoenis Cespedes
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 28, 2014 14:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 28, 2014 14:58:29 GMT -5
I'd take that.
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Post by jmei on Nov 28, 2014 15:00:53 GMT -5
Most of the Detroit fans seem to think that's a fair trade, which is a good sign. If you could get Porcello straight-up for Cespedes, I'd do it.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 28, 2014 15:07:14 GMT -5
Most of the Detroit fans seem to think that's a fair trade, which is a good sign. If you could get Porcello straight-up for Cespedes, I'd do it. Yeah same. Not exciting, but a pretty sure #3 type. He should do well in the AL east because he's such a ground ball pitcher. And Cespedes is really not worth that much.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 28, 2014 16:10:52 GMT -5
You can offer him the QO to him, something that you can't do with Cespedes. That has some value.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 28, 2014 17:05:22 GMT -5
Is Porcello's agent Boars? I checked on Baseball-Reference and then confirmed on FanGraphs that his agent is "Hendricks Sports". I suppose Boras could be a part of that group, but both sites list "Scott Boras" as the agent for Max Scherzer. If those sites are unreliable for agency information, I apologize, but did check two sources. Either way, I think Cespedes plus one of Workman / Escobar / Wright / Ranaudo might work for both teams. I'd even increase the offer for the 72 hour window to extend Porcello assuming he could be locked up at a decent rate.
I made another post about this in the "Sanchez" thread, which I look at as the overall Detroit thread (similar to the Mariners one), but absolutely Porcello could be the second starter in a playoff rotation / World Series contender. This is exactly the type of player the Red Sox should be looking to acquire and extend in my opinion. If we could procure Porcello for Cespedes I'd do that every time.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 28, 2014 17:29:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree about Cespedes alone not being enough to get Porcello (at least in my opinion) but I should have been more clear about that in my last post. However, Detroit's farm system is absolutely terrible beyond terrible, and even with that lost their "best" prospect in a trade earlier this off-season (Travis for Gose).
Cespedes and one of Wright / Ranaudo / Workman should be about fair for both teams as is. As mentioned, if we could get the 72 hour and negotiate an extension, I'd upgrade that package correspondingly. For instance, if we could deal Cespedes, Escobar and Ranaudo for Porcello and extend him, we'd lock up our number 2 for a good long time in his prime years, and they'd get two guys who would probably be in the top half of their top 5 prospects right now.
It would also still leave us Owens, Rodriguez, Johnson, Barnes and Webster at AAA with Workman likely moved to the MLB bullpen. This makes so much sense for both teams, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.
One more quick note on Porcello. As a ground ball pitcher, he has been DESTROYED by Detroit's horrifically bad infield defense the past several seasons. His FIP the past three years has been 3.91; 3.53; and 3.67 last season. He would benefit greatly from a defense featuring Sandoval and Pedroia. He's actually been a very valuable pitcher the past three seasons, not just last year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 28, 2014 17:49:26 GMT -5
But Xander Bogaerts plays defense like if they moved David Ortiz to shortstop!
Freal though, as I've said with Iwakuma, I'm fine with a one-year rental pitcher, as that also opens a rotation spot next year for someone in the Owens-EddyRod-Johnson group. In this case, Porcello, to me, isn't necessarily as good an option as Iwakuma, but he does come with a potential QO, which helps alleviate that.
Trading a one-year asset for another one-year asset isn't necessarily a bad thing either - it's just a wash.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 28, 2014 19:51:43 GMT -5
I dunno Chris, Ortiz has those quick feet and quick hands, that could translate across the defensive spectrum.
I'm with you that I think Iwakuma is demonstrably better (at least he has been) than Procello. However, I don't think that Seattle would ever bite on a deal of Cespedes for Iwakuma without us including a considerable bit more in the deal. That is certainly another way we could go, but from what I've seen recently, it almost looks as though Napoli might be a better fit in their lineup and from expected value than Cespedes.
I suppose what it comes down to is I'd be on board with any (reasonable) trade that allows us to ship off Cespedes and get back any of Iwakuma, Porcello, Latos, Leake or to a lesser extent, Gallardo (though I'd prefer the other four). I don't think the deals suggested where we move Cespedes and get back guy like Wheeler, Walker, Paxton, etc are all that reasonable. He just isn't that valuable without us including something like Barnes and Cecchini with him.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 28, 2014 22:12:32 GMT -5
Most of the Detroit fans seem to think that's a fair trade, which is a good sign. If you could get Porcello straight-up for Cespedes, I'd do it. I may be in the minority here but I think the sox should let Lester sign with the Cubs. Thoughts of those cutters that did not cut a few years back still bother me. Then I think we trade cespedes and prospect "x" for porcello. Then put a full court press on signing Sherzer. Fill the bullpen spots available with whatever youngsters do not win a he 5th starter spit, and then prepare to print playoff tickets in October 2015.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 4, 2014 16:48:18 GMT -5
At this point I would think we have to wait for Upton to find a landing spot before we can settle on a trade for Cespedes. Upton is the best available bat and the best power bat. Those teams who miss on Upton will be more likely to offer more value for Cespedes as there are few options other than perhaps Gattis or Bruce who may or may not be available. I will sit back until Upton goes and then start watching for Cespedes talks to pick up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2014 17:00:05 GMT -5
Yeah same. Not exciting, but a pretty sure #3 type. He should do well in the AL east because he's such a ground ball pitcher. And Cespedes is really not worth that much. Just know that Porcello's got 5 years of service time already and his agent is Boras. So, he's not likely to sign any kind of extension and he'll likely be gone in a year. That being said, I think it would be a fair exchange for both teams. I would do the deal. Porcello could be better then a # 3, he might be a solid #2.
Who would you rather trade Cespesdes for Porcello for one year or Neise that is signed for 2-4 years on team friendly deal (team options)?
I'd take Porcello think he's the better pitcher, but Neise contract is very team friendly.
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