radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Jun 20, 2017 13:57:05 GMT -5
Fat Pablo hits the DL because of the flu? LOL
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Post by radiohix on Jun 20, 2017 14:01:46 GMT -5
Fat Pablo hits the DL because of the flu? LOL Turns out it's an inner ear infection.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 20, 2017 14:10:41 GMT -5
Fat Pablo hits the DL because of the flu? LOL Turns out it's an inner ear infection. Meanwhile, Moreland is playing through a broken toe. The Sox just don't want him here on the roster.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 14:17:26 GMT -5
Marrero and Travis join the team...Pablo to 10 day DL, Maddox back down. So we get some offense and some defense for a few weeks.
Will this lead to a domino effect - Devers to AAA, Chavis to AA?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 20, 2017 14:22:15 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, how many people here really think Devers will be ruined by a promotion to the Majors? The earlier mention of Moncada being promoted too early certainly hasn't seemed to have affected him negatively. In my opinion, players who are ruined after being promoted too quickly (ruined = never make it as major league regular) didn't have the skills or mental toughness to succeed in the majors in the first place. (baseball is a game of adjustments at every level)
If they call up Devers for the Angels and Twins series, and he appears over-matched, then they send him to AAA and take Pablo off the DL (then start shopping for a 3rd baseman). The knowledge of whether they need to trade assets for a major league player far outweighs what seems to be little or no risk.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 20, 2017 14:29:36 GMT -5
Will this lead to a domino effect - Devers to AAA, Chavis to AA? No. Of course, there's no reason why they can't happen at the same time, coincidentally, but those promotions would be independent of any major league moves.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2017 14:57:59 GMT -5
Moncada wasn't really ready for the majors though. And he was basically promoted because the minor league season was over - it's not like having him in the majors was costing him at-bats against a more appropriate level of competition. That said, Devers sure does seem ready for Triple-A. Guys with Moncada's k rate in AAA are never ready for the majors. (while they have that k rate). Guys like Mookie have very little trouble making the jump. I just don't think Devers will struggle anywhere near as much as Moncada to start because he has a much better hit tool.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2017 15:00:58 GMT -5
Fat Pablo hits the DL because of the flu? LOL Turns out it's an inner ear infection. Maybe he can get surgery on his other shoulder. Seems pretty convenient that he goes on the DL today when they absolutely need another infielder on the bench. And on a related note, it must be impossible to find a replacement level 3B to trade for.
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Post by station13 on Jun 20, 2017 15:48:55 GMT -5
Why bother. Give Pablo his release. It has reach a point of no comeback for him.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 20, 2017 15:50:40 GMT -5
it must be impossible to find a replacement level 3B ------- The good guys won't be going till the deadline. KC people think Moustakis may not go at all because they don't have to tender him to get a couple of picks. And he's a draw if he keeps hitting hr's and they are out of it. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martimi02.shtmlis available again but they probably like in-house options better than that between their reserves and Devers.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2017 15:51:43 GMT -5
Did Travis get called up, too?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2017 16:22:47 GMT -5
it must be impossible to find a replacement level 3B ------- The good guys won't be going till the deadline. KC people think Moustakis may not go at all because they don't have to tender him to get a couple of picks. And he's a draw if he keeps hitting hr's and they are out of it. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martimi02.shtmlis available again but they probably like in-house options better than that between their reserves and Devers. I'll take Marrero over Martinez (career .504 OPS). I'm not super excited to get the best possible replacement because I'm terrified of the prices. At this point, there has to be a replacement level player somewhere. One like Rutledge who can actually field at 3B.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 20, 2017 16:32:06 GMT -5
Did Travis get called up, too? Yes.
Austin Maddox was sent down.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 20, 2017 16:32:14 GMT -5
it must be impossible to find a replacement level 3B ------- The good guys won't be going till the deadline. KC people think Moustakis may not go at all because they don't have to tender him to get a couple of picks. And he's a draw if he keeps hitting hr's and they are out of it. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martimi02.shtmlis available again but they probably like in-house options better than that between their reserves and Devers. I'll take Marrero over Martinez (career .504 OPS). I'm not super excited to get the best possible replacement because I'm terrified of the prices. At this point, there has to be a replacement level player somewhere. One like Rutledge who can actually field at 3B. Agree here. Every year we seem to under-estimate the prices for rental players and every year some GMs just blow us away regarding what they give/get in these deals.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 20, 2017 16:36:35 GMT -5
it must be impossible to find a replacement level 3B ------- The good guys won't be going till the deadline. KC people think Moustakis may not go at all because they don't have to tender him to get a couple of picks. And he's a draw if he keeps hitting hr's and they are out of it. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martimi02.shtmlis available again but they probably like in-house options better than that between their reserves and Devers. I'll take Marrero over Martinez (career .504 OPS). I'm not super excited to get the best possible replacement because I'm terrified of the prices. At this point, there has to be a replacement level player somewhere. One like Rutledge who can actually field at 3B. Alex Speier is suggesting that Jed Lowrie, who can do more than play 3B is the type of player the Red Sox should be targeting. He indicated the absence of Holt means the Red Sox have wider issues than just the problem at 3B.
Just looked at Lowrie's stats. I hadn't realized what a good year he is having. He has 2.2 WAR this year. I assume Oakland would want high price for that level of production. I'm not free to screw off enough right now to even look up his contract status. It would be great to get an old friend back.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 16:45:56 GMT -5
I always liked Jed Lowrie but he seemed fragile...Sox don't need more types that tend to populate the DL.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 20, 2017 16:55:52 GMT -5
I always liked Jed Lowrie but he seemed fragile...Sox don't need more types that tend to populate the DL. True, he had a lot of DL time as a Red Sox.
I just saw he has played in 67 games this year, so he is at least healthy now. However, nearly all of them have been at 2B, the rest at DH. So he probably is not a very viable solution for issues at 3B.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2017 16:56:46 GMT -5
I've been scouring fangraphs looking for anyone who might be a fit that wouldn't cost a fortune. Miguel Rojas of the Marlins is someone I came up with. His advanced fielding stats make it look like he's well above average at 2B, SS and 3B. He has also played a little 1B well. He's hitting above average this year because of a .379 BABIP but is normally not a very good hitter with a career 68 wRC+. He is an all contact, no power guy. He would be a huge upgrade right now even as a replacement level player. He does have 3 years of control left though, so I don't know what it would take to get him. Probably a lot less than Moustakas or Lowrie.
I've never watched him play, so this is all based on his stats.
Other names: Wilmer Flores and Yunel Escobar are others I found that might be an option. Conor Gillaspie is a bounceback candidate with the Giants AAA team. He's been terrible this year but was worth 1.1 fWAR last season.
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Jun 20, 2017 17:07:22 GMT -5
I'll take Marrero over Martinez (career .504 OPS). I'm not super excited to get the best possible replacement because I'm terrified of the prices. At this point, there has to be a replacement level player somewhere. One like Rutledge who can actually field at 3B. Alex Speier is suggesting that Jed Lowrie, who can do more than play 3B is the type of player the Red Sox should be targeting. He indicated the absence of Holt means the Red Sox have wider issues than just the problem at 3B.
Just looked at Lowrie's stats. I hadn't realized what a good year he is having. He has 2.2 WAR this year. I assume Oakland would want high price for that level of production. I'm not free to screw off enough right now to even look up his contract status. It would be great to get an old friend back.
I brought the idea 2 days ago in the sub trade forum forum.soxprospects.com/thread/4006/jed-lowrie
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2017 17:14:50 GMT -5
I've been scouring fangraphs looking for anyone who might be a fit that wouldn't cost a fortune. Miguel Rojas of the Marlins is someone I came up with. His advanced fielding stats make it look like he's well above average at 2B, SS and 3B. He has also played a little 1B well. He's hitting above average this year because of a .379 BABIP but is normally not a very good hitter with a career 68 wRC+. He is an all contact, no power guy. He would be a huge upgrade right now even as a replacement level player. He does have 3 years of control left though, so I don't know what it would take to get him. Probably a lot less than Moustakas or Lowrie. I've never watched him play, so this is all based on his stats. Other names: Wilmer Flores and Yunel Escobar are others I found that might be an option. Conor Gillaspie is a bounceback candidate with the Giants AAA team. He's been terrible this year but was worth 1.1 fWAR last season. That's why we should have went after Plouffe. Two players like that and were good. We don't need to empty the system for Lowrie.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2017 18:54:56 GMT -5
It's Chris Sale day!
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 20, 2017 19:24:18 GMT -5
Aww Hanley may not be hitting, but at least hes having fun!! Least hes not out there doing something miserable like playing 1st.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 20, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is such a clown in the batter box with all those mimics and he's bat flipping after hitting singles now. I hope my rant will get him a few hits, it generaly works this way heh.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 20, 2017 19:48:22 GMT -5
So we need to score at least 2 for the win. Paging the offense?
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Post by radiohix on Jun 20, 2017 19:51:45 GMT -5
Ouch! That was a meatball. Could they score 2 runs for Sale when your cleanup hitter is hitting .161 and a 61 wRC+ vs LHP?
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