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Post by bryce on Sept 5, 2014 9:02:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't have said this two weeks ago, but if Betts isn't playing every day in 2015, it's going to be a shame, and we're going to be bad again. It won't be a shame! You are too exaggerated! I think he will be moved for a good pitcher this offseason. I would love to see him go to somewhere he can have space to grow up. It means he can start everyday when the team is competitive but not under no pressure just like what the Sox is now.
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Post by bryce on Sept 5, 2014 8:55:48 GMT -5
Stanton for Owens, Bradley Jr, Workman, Johnson, Middlebrooks, Webster, Coyle Sign Lester, Shields, Janssen and Miller Betts 3B Pedroia 2B Stanton LF Ortiz DH Cespedes RF Napoli 1B Castillo CF Bogaerts SS Vazquez C Craig - Nava - Holt - FA Catcher (Soto or Martin) Lester - Shields - Buccholz - Kelly - De La Rosa Janssen - Koji - Tazawa - Mujica - Breslow - Miller - Badenhop (or Wilson/Ramirez) I don't think it's a good way to waste too many prospects for Stanton. See......? Your lineup is loaded with RH guys. Is really good for us?
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Post by bryce on Sept 5, 2014 8:52:42 GMT -5
A comment Mike Hazen made on WEEI today strikes me as strange: "...we’re going to be able to do it via trade, having good major league players, not just minor league players to trade. We may trade some minor league guys as well, but having those good, established major league hitters — a lot of these guys that have power, which is a commodity in the game, set us up fairly well in a strong position at least." It sounds to me like he's saying we can improve the team by trading some of our "good, established major league hitters" with power. Just who does he have in mind? I mean he realizes we're last in the league in runs scored and slugging and 12th in HRs, right? That means we don't have a lot of power on the roster to start with. The only two guys who come to mind as having power and being able to bring something decent in a trade are Napoli and Cespedes. (I'm not counting Papi because we all know he's not going to be traded.) And I can't see the benefit of trading away the power that Napoli and/or Cespedes bring because we, you know, need more power, not less. He can't be talking about Craig because he wouldn't bring much back in a trade. So, who else is there? Here's the rundown of the interview: fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/09/04/red-sox-assistant-gm-mike-hazen-on-dc-we-know-we-have-some-redundancies-in-some-areas-including-crowded-outfield/I do agree with you. Cespedes and Napoli are the most reasonable candidates to be moved this offseason.
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Nava
Sept 3, 2014 22:38:50 GMT -5
Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 22:38:50 GMT -5
Jason Place became a millionaire before age 20. He must be a real super star! Sorry......I made a number mistake here. He becomes 10 millionaire before 30 and not one millionaire.
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Nava
Sept 3, 2014 18:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 18:54:41 GMT -5
Bruce just has a down year due to his injury this year,so your status is unfair to him. We should see their career,that is more fair. Except for this year,Bruce is a fantastic one that we don't have the ability to get him. Bruce is an everyday guy but NAVA just a platoon one. Don't blame on me about him again. I said a lot of time,he is just an example not the whole one I want the Sox to pursue. Any other ones who is under 30 next year ,could hit over 20 HR and have cannon arm are also intriguing options. I don't say I won't stop mentioning him until the Sox get him. I just want to say there are many other guys who really can hit better than Nava and we should consider to go after them rathan than just remain our now situation. I used the last three years in my above comparison, so Bruce's down 2014 shouldn't have affected it too much (and remember that more recent performance is more predictive than what Bruce put up a half-decade ago). Regardless, over their careers, Nava has been a better hitter versus righties, and it's not particularly close. Hell, even with Nava's significant platoon issues, they're pretty comparable overall hitters over their careers. Now, Bruce has been the better defender, which makes him the better overall player (Nava is 1.8 fWAR per 600 PAs over his career, Bruce is 2.4 fWAR/600 PAs), but they're close enough that it doesn't really make sense to pay the significant acquisition price (not to mention salary) that Bruce would require for a pretty minor upgrade. Perhaps more importantly (because, yes, we should move on from Jay Bruce), where are all of these under-30, 20+ HR outfielders that you think are so available? There are 26 outfielders on pace to hit 20+ HRs this year, and precisely two are less than 30 years old and swing from the left side (Alex Gordon and Charlie Blackmon, neither of which seems like the kind of player you're talking about or looks to be available this offseason). There just aren't a lot of free agent or trade options who would really be upgrades on Nava, and those upgrades that do exist would require a significant trade cost and/or salary that might make it not worth it. If, say, Jason Heyward or Brandon Moss were available, maybe I'd think about moving Nava and adding one of them, but those are probably the only two lefty outfielders who seem like a clear upgrade on what the Red Sox have already, and they're not going to come cheap (and are probably not available at all). The only name that comes to mind as worth considering on the free agent market is Melky Cabrera, but he's going to cost $10m+ a year for maybe a half-win's upgrade, which clearly seems not worth it. There are few players in the league who get over 10M annul salary before their age of 28,Bruce is one of that type of player. It means he is a great player that many teams are eager to have. His contract compares to his performance seems it is a real bargain. His highest salary is just $13M.The one who perform like him are paid over 18M. Brandon Moss is a natural 1B,he is just an average outfielder,so he may be moved back to 1B whenever he leaves Oakland. He went back to OF due to Reddick's injury and poor outfield offense after Cespedes's leave.
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 11:01:43 GMT -5
It seems we will have a nice ranking to draft a terrific "Big One" in our first round draft next year because of our poor performance this year. Which position player do you think Red Sox will draft in the first round in 2015? Pitcher? Catcher? Firstbaseman? Secondbaseman? Thirdbaseman? Shortstop? Powerful corner outfielders? Or speedy centerfielder? What do you think? Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/user/1297/recent#ixzz3CGj6fSXq
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Nava
Sept 3, 2014 10:50:04 GMT -5
Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 10:50:04 GMT -5
Especially relative to his contract status and salary (first year of arb, likely very cheap (in the $2m range?)), you'd have a tough time getting a better left-handed outfielder through free agency or trade. Over the past three years, versus righties, he's the seventh best left-handed outfielder in the league (note that Jay Bruce is ranked 22nd on that list). Now, Nava is a middling defender and totally useless versus lefties, which is why he's not a no-doubt starter, but he's is a very, very useful player, especially for what the 2015 Red Sox outfield tentatively looks like. I'm keeping him, especially since he (as an older part-time player) likely wouldn't have a ton of trade value. Bruce just has a down year due to his injury this year,so your status is unfair to him. We should see their career,that is more fair. Except for this year,Bruce is a fantastic one that we don't have the ability to get him. Bruce is an everyday guy but NAVA just a platoon one. Don't blame on me about him again. I said a lot of time,he is just an example not the whole one I want the Sox to pursue. Any other ones who is under 30 next year ,could hit over 20 HR and have cannon arm are also intriguing options. I don't say I won't stop mentioning him until the Sox get him. I just want to say there are many other guys who really can hit better than Nava and we should consider to go after them rathan than just remain our now situation.
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Nava
Sept 3, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
I think we should trade Nava and get another LH outfielder back. He is not a powerful one and contactful one in spite of his great pitch judgement.
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 0:29:13 GMT -5
If we fail to re-sign Lester and miss James Shields,is there any other pichers in free agent worth us to pursue? Max Scherzer is too expensive that I think we should stay away from him. Or we will turn to the trade market? Is Francisco Liriano still an intriguing options for us?
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Nava
Sept 3, 2014 0:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 0:22:37 GMT -5
Just want to stay away from him ! Trade him to Giants, Tigers,Royals or Indians is a wise decision for the Sox ! So he won't in Red Sox's plan in 2015 !
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Jay Bruce
Sept 3, 2014 0:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 0:18:32 GMT -5
Justin Masterson is a former ace of Indians. I usually take the guys who can hold on No.1 starter in the team into the"great pitcher" category. There are my own categories of pitcher: 1.dominant pitcher:the pitcher who could win the Cy Young. Ex.King-Felix,David Price,Clayton Kershaw,Justin Verlander,Zack Greinke,Max Scherzer,etc. 2.great pitcher:the pitcher who can have the ability to be No.1 starter or pitch the opening game of his team. Ex.Jered Weaver,James Shields,Jon Lester,Justin Masterson,Adam Wainwright,Yovani Gallardo,etc. 3.good pitcher:the pitcher who can start well steadily but still lack of dominant performance. Ex.Wei-Yin Chen,Kyle Lohse,Clay Buchholz,Ervin Santana,Madison Bumgarner,Jason Vargas,Sonny Gray,etc. 4.normal pitcher:the pitcher whose performance is not good but enough for himself to stay in MLB. Ex.Jason Hammel,Trevor Cahill,Scott Feldman,John Danks,Travis Wood,Paul Maholm,etc. 5.bad pitcher:As you know,the bad one who is always be beated in MLB start. Masterson isn't on part with the guys you have listed in his category. The Indians didn't have an "ace" at the time and he was the best of a bad lot of Indians pitchers. Now they have Kluber who is pitching like an ace. An Ace pitcher means the best pitcher of a team,so every team 's No.1 starter is Ace. So,why isn't Justin Masterson an Ace before? Yeah,he isn't like an Ace this year because of his injury. But undeniably,he acted like an aces these years except for this year.
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Post by bryce on Sept 3, 2014 0:03:42 GMT -5
I will only trade Betts for these guys below: 1.Jay Bruce 2.Cole Hamels 3.Bryce Harper 4.Chris Sale 5.Mat Latos 6.Wei-Yin Chen 7.Yovani Gallardo 8.Troy Tulowitzki 9.Mike Minor 10.Andrew Cashner Two questions? Assuming these are possible trade block type of guys (if not where's Mike Trout), how in the world is Bryce Harper on this list? What makes you think the Nats would deal him? And for that matter, with the very affordable deal Sale has, why in the world would the ChiSox move him? And #2, why in the world would you ever trade Betts in a deal for Jay Bruce? Man, you have some serious irrational Jay Bruce love. Frankly I'd have little interest in dealing him for the names on that list. I'll take the next six years of Betts' careers over the other guys on the list with the exception of Harper and Sale who don't belong on that list. There are some rumors around Chris Sale,so I think he is available in the offseason if we offer a fantastic package. Don't take my list too seriously,it's just my fantasy. Next year is a World Series champion or a bust year because of Cherington's words about"win quickly". Although my list is ridiculous,but what I want to say is that we really should get some established stars such as the one called Yoenis Cepedes we acquired in July this year from free agent or by trades and Betts is our most valuable trade chip. We should make a good use of his trade value to get a "right guy"which is just what Cherington says earlier.
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Post by bryce on Aug 31, 2014 2:08:46 GMT -5
1.Cole Hamels or Chris Sale 2.James Shields 3.Justin Masterson 4.Clay Buchholz 5.Rubby De La Rosa or Joe Kelly
Does this make sense for the Sox 's rotation next year?
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Post by bryce on Aug 31, 2014 0:58:36 GMT -5
I will only trade Betts for these guys below:
1.Jay Bruce 2.Cole Hamels 3.Bryce Harper 4.Chris Sale 5.Mat Latos 6.Wei-Yin Chen 7.Yovani Gallardo 8.Troy Tulowitzki 9.Mike Minor 10.Andrew Cashner
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Post by bryce on Aug 30, 2014 10:42:50 GMT -5
In my proposal this winter: 1.sign a great pitcher in the free agent(Ex.Justin Masterson,James Shields) 2.package JBJ,Garin Cecchini,Shane Victorino(eat some of his salary) and one pitching prospect for Jason Heyward 3.package Yoenis Cespedes,Mookie Betts,Deven Marrero,Daniel Nava and two pitching prospects for Mat Latos and Jay Bruce 4.give Travis Shaw a shot at 3B 5.Trade away Mike Napoli for the rest of Sox's other need,and put Allen Craig in 1B If you call Justin Masterson a "great pitcher", I question your judgement. A losing career record with and era averaging .479 for the last three seasons makes him at best a #4 starter There are just a few pitchers I would anoint with that description. And they would include Kershaw, King Felix, Verlander and Price. Justin Masterson is a former ace of Indians. I usually take the guys who can hold on No.1 starter in the team into the"great pitcher" category. There are my own categories of pitcher: 1.dominant pitcher:the pitcher who could win the Cy Young. Ex.King-Felix,David Price,Clayton Kershaw,Justin Verlander,Zack Greinke,Max Scherzer,etc. 2.great pitcher:the pitcher who can have the ability to be No.1 starter or pitch the opening game of his team. Ex.Jered Weaver,James Shields,Jon Lester,Justin Masterson,Adam Wainwright,Yovani Gallardo,etc. 3.good pitcher:the pitcher who can start well steadily but still lack of dominant performance. Ex.Wei-Yin Chen,Kyle Lohse,Clay Buchholz,Ervin Santana,Madison Bumgarner,Jason Vargas,Sonny Gray,etc. 4.normal pitcher:the pitcher whose performance is not good but enough for himself to stay in MLB. Ex.Jason Hammel,Trevor Cahill,Scott Feldman,John Danks,Travis Wood,Paul Maholm,etc. 5.bad pitcher:As you know,the bad one who is always be beated in MLB start.
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Post by bryce on Aug 30, 2014 10:14:17 GMT -5
Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman? I think Cespedes and a MLB-ready pitcher (Workman works, but I could also see Ranaudo or Webster) for Latos makes a ton of sense for both teams. I do really agree with you!!!!!
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Post by bryce on Aug 30, 2014 10:07:55 GMT -5
What do you think Clay Buchholz be in Red Sox? Is he in No.3 or No.4 starter in the Sox rotation?
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Post by bryce on Aug 26, 2014 3:32:39 GMT -5
In my proposal this winter:
1.sign a great pitcher in the free agent(Ex.Justin Masterson,James Shields)
2.package JBJ,Garin Cecchini,Shane Victorino(eat some of his salary) and one pitching prospect for Jason Heyward
3.package Yoenis Cespedes,Mookie Betts,Deven Marrero,Daniel Nava and two pitching prospects for Mat Latos and Jay Bruce
4.give Travis Shaw a shot at 3B
5.Trade away Mike Napoli for the rest of Sox's other need,and put Allen Craig in 1B
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Post by bryce on Aug 26, 2014 3:18:03 GMT -5
I still disagree with the idea that the projected 2015 roster is too right-handed and so they need to add a LHH OF. RHH usually have pretty small platoon splits, and guys like Napoli and Craig and Cespedes still hit righties pretty well. IIRC, Craig's career line versus righties is better than Bruce's, for instance. I think if we faced an elite righty such as King-Felix and Max Scherzer,etc, you won't say it is OK for us to face.
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Post by bryce on Aug 26, 2014 3:15:55 GMT -5
Cespedes is a power guy that the Sox really need,but he isn't hitting for average. He has arm but is not defensive. He always let the ball down the field first and then throws. This just makes one runner out! Other cannon arm users like JBJ,Gerardo Parra and Ichiro can catch the ball and throw. This results in a double play. So I don't think he will fit well here. According to the news, he is still a normal guy who loves money,so he must be reluctent to extend the contract earlier and he will go to free agent to get a big contract. That isn't a good news to Red Sox! Betts has no power potential which refers to hit over 20 HR as a corner outfield guy. He is a typical centerfielder who has range but no arm. But we have Castillo now. I will expect him to be traded to get a pitcher that the Sox is eager to have. Bruce,Heyward and Brown are all young guys who have power potential and may breakout again. It's worth to wait for them. In the same,they are in their down year,so it's the best time for us to get two of them at a lower cost,and then expect them to bounce back next year. If we pursue Stanton or Heyward when they hit free agency, it means we will need to bid for them with other clubs. This will result in a lot of cost the Sox will take. It's not a wise idea. I'd still take Betts over Bruce and Brown and I prefer him to Heyward. Mookie probably won't hit 20 homers per year, but 12 - 15 isn't out of the question. I believe he'll be a .300 hitter who competes for a batting title and will be selective enough to be a highly effective leadoff hitter who can steal bases. Last time I checked the Sox still need a legit leadoff hitter to replace what Ellsbury gave them. Don't know that Castillo will be patient enough to be a leadoff hitter. Despite his mediocre OBP, Cespedes isn't going anywhere in 2015, at least not until July 31st. He is a corner OF for the Sox. We know Castillo is the second and we know that between Betts, Craig, Nava, and Victorino, that probably one or two of those guys will fill the other corner OF spot. I do agree with you that Betts will probably wind up in a package for a pitcher. Most likely Heyward, Stanton, Bruce, and Brown are not going to be a corner OF for the Sox in 2015. And if the Sox ever did get Heyward or Stanton, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't eventually be competing with other clubs for their services. Trading for them isn't the same as trading and automatically re-signing for an extension. Most of teams' RF is power hitters and have cannon arm,but I don't think Betts will fit in that area because of his lack of power and weak arm. JBJ is seen as a bright future before just like Betts. Some scouting report said he could hit 10-15 HR in MLB just like what you said about Betts. See? Yes,he did it in AAA,but not repeat it in the majors. It proves that my eyesight is correct. I think Betts is the same guy,so we should trade Betts into the package to get an ace pitcher. I think Cespedes is a poor defensive guy that will not fit well in Fenway Park even if he has the power the Sox need. He can't catch the ball very well. I do want to trade him to bring back another needs.
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Post by bryce on Aug 25, 2014 23:37:26 GMT -5
The Red Sox just need to add abut 25 wins to the roster and I smell a Championship. Maybe some of those wins are already on the roster with Craig, Cespedes, Castillo and Xander having good years in 2015. Add Mookie Betts to that list and you got yourself and solid outfield! What you think will make the Sox's lineup become "Lefty Killer"! In the other hand, they will be "Righty Lover"!
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Post by bryce on Aug 25, 2014 23:34:53 GMT -5
I said a lot of time. I didn't mean I prefer Bruce to Heyward. I know Heyward ,of course,is our primary choice. After acquiring him,we still have only three LH bats in our starting lineup(DH,3B,RF). So I said I want 2 (LH power hitting outfielder). One is Heyward,but the other? Bruce just an example of that. Because he is one of few LH power hitting outfielders who can hit over 25 or even 30 HR. And he will be 28 next year,it's still young for us. That's why I take a lot of example of him. If all of you don't like Bruce. There are other choice such as Domonic Brown. He is a young guy,too. Maybe a blockbuster including Hamels and Brown would work it. Stay away from Carlos Gonzalez because of his age 30 next year and his usual injury recent year. Also,CarGo will cost us a lot as much as Stanton,so I don't like the idea. Meh, I'd rather take my chances with Cespedes/Castillo/Betts in the outfield, not that I think that's going to happen. I don't want the Sox to get a lefty just for the sake of getting a lefty. Domonic Brown hasn't been that great either. Frankly, as far as Heyward and Stanton go, I'd much rather wait until they're free agents to go chase them, and I do believe they'll wind up free agents. The Braves will keep Heyward and take the draft pick because they are competing for a playoff spot in 2015. The Marlins will keep Stanton until they have to deal him, and when they do, unless it's to LA or some really, really loaded team that can extend him at free agent prices, he'll become a free agent and make a record setting contract as a free agent. Cespedes is a power guy that the Sox really need,but he isn't hitting for average. He has arm but is not defensive. He always let the ball down the field first and then throws. This just makes one runner out! Other cannon arm users like JBJ,Gerardo Parra and Ichiro can catch the ball and throw. This results in a double play. So I don't think he will fit well here. According to the news, he is still a normal guy who loves money,so he must be reluctent to extend the contract earlier and he will go to free agent to get a big contract. That isn't a good news to Red Sox! Betts has no power potential which refers to hit over 20 HR as a corner outfield guy. He is a typical centerfielder who has range but no arm. But we have Castillo now. I will expect him to be traded to get a pitcher that the Sox is eager to have. Bruce,Heyward and Brown are all young guys who have power potential and may breakout again. It's worth to wait for them. In the same,they are in their down year,so it's the best time for us to get two of them at a lower cost,and then expect them to bounce back next year. If we pursue Stanton or Heyward when they hit free agency, it means we will need to bid for them with other clubs. This will result in a lot of cost the Sox will take. It's not a wise idea.
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Post by bryce on Aug 25, 2014 22:51:06 GMT -5
You don't know Domonic Brown? He is Phillies' leftfielder now! Umm...are we talking about the same Domonic Brown of the -1.3 career WAR and 76 wRC+ this season? As nice as a LHH OF would be, I'll pass, thanks. In spite of Heyward,is there any other available LH outfielders that worth us to purse?
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Post by bryce on Aug 25, 2014 19:38:29 GMT -5
Can this trade be extended into a blockbuster including Hamels and Domonic Brown? Some columnist say Brown will fit well in Fenway Park. Who? And why should we believe him/her? You don't know Domonic Brown? He is Phillies' leftfielder now!
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Post by bryce on Aug 25, 2014 19:35:30 GMT -5
But I really think we shoud not only get Heyward but also another LH outfield guy such as Bruce or others. Stay away from Stanton is a wise choice. I get that the Sox should ideally balance their lineup out leftywise, but I have no idea why you want Jay Bruce so bad. He's not that good. He's just not. I'd prefer a Cespedes/Castillo/Betts outfield to a Cespedes/Castillo/Bruce outfield. At least that outfield will have two speedsters who can play CF in it, something that is an advantage at Fenway. I'd prefer Heyward to Bruce, but honestly he's a good player, and I wouldn't mind having him, but he hasn't fully blossomed like it looked he would earlier on in his career. He's still young, so if the Sox can get him at a palatable cost (my guess is it would cost them Mookie), then the Sox should do it - I don't consider dealing Mookie a palatable cost for Heyward. If Heyward is that good, then I'd prefer the Sox wait to try to get him as a free agent. I don't see why not trying to get Stanton would be a wise choice. It may not be a choice until 2016, but the Sox would be foolish not to try to get him. Heyward is not better than Stanton, and the fact that he's lefty and Stanton isn't doesn't change that. I said a lot of time. I didn't mean I prefer Bruce to Heyward. I know Heyward ,of course,is our primary choice. After acquiring him,we still have only three LH bats in our starting lineup(DH,3B,RF). So I said I want 2 (LH power hitting outfielder). One is Heyward,but the other? Bruce just an example of that. Because he is one of few LH power hitting outfielders who can hit over 25 or even 30 HR. And he will be 28 next year,it's still young for us. That's why I take a lot of example of him. If all of you don't like Bruce. There are other choice such as Domonic Brown. He is a young guy,too. Maybe a blockbuster including Hamels and Brown would work it. Stay away from Carlos Gonzalez because of his age 30 next year and his usual injury recent year. Also,CarGo will cost us a lot as much as Stanton,so I don't like the idea.
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