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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 10, 2020 8:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 10, 2020 7:54:16 GMT -5
It isn't the 00s either when analytics started to take command. The baseball business model has radically changed and the MLBPA needs to get with the program - again. Artificially low thresholds tied to draft penalties for pre-arb talent, stuff the players signed off on, is a straight-jacket. Bloom did nothing but work to loosen the buckles on that thing. I feel like every explanation of why I should like this trade basically boils down to "see, Bloom isn't a bad GM, the trade is actually just an indictment of baseball's entire way of doing business". Oh ok cool, I like it now. I like the restructured trade. Hard to argue with what they got back in return. Now Bloom needs to find some more pitching and FAST!Or like, in a couple years. Whatever. Resetting the luxury tax was urgent. Having anything close to a complete starting rotation is an afterthought for one of the richest teams in baseball.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 21:39:35 GMT -5
The Sox did as well as they could. Disagree, deeply and forever.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 21:31:08 GMT -5
But feel free to pick another favorite team. At least I'm allowed to stream the games now.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 17:37:14 GMT -5
Lolololol Your post became an absolute joke when you said he’s significantly overweight, there’s video of him playing last year. You know that right? Marble-sharp Numerous sites, including Baseball Prospectus list him at 6’ 1” 265 which is significantly overweight for a baseball player. legacy.baseballprospectus.com/card/106074/brusdar-graterolGo look at the player. You have the power to do this.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 9:24:40 GMT -5
Here is a scenario that may be driving the holdup. Boston notices a medical red flag bringing hesitation to the original trade and a request for additional renumeration. At this time the holdup is reported and other teams call expressing interest in Betts and/or Price. Said teams layout the package they would be willing to part with which is greater than Verdugo/Graterol. Enough greater that a lesser prospect or more salary relief doesn’t compare. Boston now uses this info as a baseline for what they would like in addition to the existing deal which causes both LA and Minnesota to waiver because it is a significant enough increase over the previous deal. Bloom can draw a hard line for their asking price knowing they have a fall back deal ready to go if this falls through. I think this would seem logical. Teams such as St Louis, Philadelphia, NY Mets, Atlanta, Washington could potentially have a need for a one year superstar to push for a World Series and have enough payroll to carry added salary for one season and/or consider a long term deal next offseason. And of course San Diego still lingers. Betts has been available all winter. If there was going to be a bidding war, why would it start now?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 9:18:10 GMT -5
This whole framing of "they didn't realize he's a reliever" is bizarre. What baseball person even thinks in those terms? Literally every pitching prospect has some significant chance of becoming a reliever attached to them. Seriously? Obviously every front office realizes that a player might be a reliever. However, the Sox saw something in the medicals however, that made them think his arm might not be able to hold up to the innings a starter would have. Huge difference. I was referring back to this: The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 8:41:58 GMT -5
The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff. Maybe because they did their due diligence with a physical (you can't scout a guy's shoulder) and said wait a minute... This whole framing of "they didn't realize he's a reliever" is bizarre. What baseball person even thinks in those terms? Literally every pitching prospect has some significant chance of becoming a reliever attached to them.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 11:50:32 GMT -5
the Sox have not looked this ridiculous since they screwed up the Billy Beane hiring in 2003 and had to hire Epstein, or, when Epstein snuck out and quit on them. Or, when they held up the 2005 Beckett trade a couple of days because of the shoulder issues.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
No he isn't. Its looking at this situation through rose colored glasses to believe that the Red Sox are in the drivers seat. They honestly probably will accept the deal as is and move on. It was a good try but Friedman is amazing at his job and Bloom got played by his old boss. He got played by his new boss. So much leverage went out the window when the Red Sox telegraphed their mandate to re-set the luxury tax. Friedman wants Mookie, but Bloom needs to move him. And Friedman knows that, because Warner and Henry were blabbing about it in November. Game over.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 9:01:54 GMT -5
Remember last year, when people were complaining that the offseason was too boring? Great, glad we solved that problem. This off-season has been awesome, outside of Houston and Boston. Even still, bad news is still relevant news that helps the sport. I was thinking specifically of the Red Sox offseason, but also, I don't know if I'd say it "helps the sport" when you have a significant number of fans who now believe the 2017 WS to be fundamentally illegitimate.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 8:59:36 GMT -5
Jon Heyman is up early this morning encouraging the Red Sox to just accept a franchise-altering trade that they're not happy with in order to avoid hurting Mookie and Price's feelings. I wonder if it's hard to tweet with Scott Boras pulling all those strings. Boras puppet or not, he's not wrong. The whole idea that Mookie wants to be in Boston I think is wishful thinking anyway, but the team is doing its damnedest to extinguish any kind feelings he might have towards them. Mmm, sure want to come back to the team that couldn't even trade me away correctly.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 8:19:35 GMT -5
Oh good, spent the day away and I was afraid this might be a done deal when I got back home. It's still not too late guys, let's not trade Mookie. Remember last year, when people were complaining that the offseason was too boring? Great, glad we solved that problem.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 7, 2020 13:02:59 GMT -5
Lol at there still being no conclusion to this. Honestly. Can't complete the Mookie trade, don't know who the manager is, don't know the results/penalties from the sign stealing investigation.... c'mon, give us resolution on SOMETHING.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 7, 2020 12:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 7, 2020 6:35:13 GMT -5
Tell the Dodgers to pound sand. Good luck selling to their fanbase a team without Mookie all because they didn't want to give up a prospect.Seriously Chaim Bloom seems awful. What a terrible hire. LOL, I think another 100 win season should sell it just fine. What is Bloom supposed to do? No one is bidding against the Dodgers, and the Dodgers can wait until the trading deadline to make their move. They have all the leverage.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 18:50:30 GMT -5
"Every team in baseball acts like this" is not the argument ender that people think it is. It's literally the thing we're complaining about. If that were the thing you're complaining about, you would've complained about it long before Mookie got traded. But you didn't. So no, you're just complaining about it because it's finally affecting your favorite team. That's absolutely not true, but I invite you to read every single one of my past posts to prove me wrong.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 16:48:35 GMT -5
$208m a year in payroll, minus $35-40m for Mookie, what's that work out to... let's see here, carry the one, calculate the compound interest, divide by the gravitational constant... ok yeah, your math checks out, zero dollars left in the budget. do you not think this team has plenty of holes? The Red Sox just got Verdugo for nowhere near the price Mookie is going to be paid and have plenty of extra money to fill other holes now. Giving Mookie 420 million wasn’t the way for this team to go as they need a lot of money for other areas. All about flexibility and signing Mookie would give the Red Sox 0 of that in the futureAgain I'm failing to see how $168m represents zero flexibility or ability to fill holes.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 16:24:29 GMT -5
If it helps you in anyway, people treating this as anything but an unmitigated catastrophe also annoy me greatly. I hope you get your wish and the Red Sox give Mookie 420 million dollars and can’t give anyone else out there any money. Goodbye devers and Martinez and benintedi. But giving Mookie 420 million is the right thing to do! This team has no other holes that can fill that 420 million with $208m a year in payroll, minus $35-40m for Mookie, what's that work out to... let's see here, carry the one, calculate the compound interest, divide by the gravitational constant... ok yeah, your math checks out, zero dollars left in the budget.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 16:21:03 GMT -5
Call off this deal Henry. F*ck you. Do the right thing. can you explain why you are upset with Henry? Because he wants to be like every other team in baseball and not go over the main luxury tax 3 years in a row? He’s spoiled you with 4 World Series titles while spending just as much as any team. This is ridiculous "Every team in baseball acts like this" is not the argument ender that people think it is. It's literally the thing we're complaining about.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 14:53:10 GMT -5
This deal is the biggest steaming pile I think I’ve seen from the Red Sox since this ownership group took over. From telegraphing that one of the highest revenue teams in baseball was looking to shed salary on the last year of an amazing core that won the World Series just one year before (and three Division championships) on in to this B.S. return and subsidizing Price to the tune of $48M. Just disgusted with the idea behind it, the process and the team now setting themselves up for mediocrity for the next 2-3 years if not more. I’m just done with this deal unless it blows up, in which case I’ll be elated. In retrospect this really was walking into the car dealership and announcing to every salesman on the floor that you're in a bind and you absolutely need to buy a car today.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 14:41:03 GMT -5
Why the hell should I believe that Mookie is coming back? Because we're Red Sox fans so therefore he's definitely coming back? Sorry man, I don't do blind faith, particularly when there's little evidence to do so. Every player says they want to stay with their team, largely as a matter of convenience. I'm always shocked by how much faith people have in those statements.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 12:20:02 GMT -5
Agreed. I expected a Mickey, "I don't pitch with my stomach" Lolich, rotundus Americanus type. I couldn't believe from the pics that he was 265 lbs. Guy is solid. Listed heights and weights are notoriously inaccurate. If a guy doesn't look 265, it's probably because he's not.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 12:05:53 GMT -5
Try 0.45%. $30M of $6.6B is 0.45%. Yes, the CEO is not spending a lot of time worrying about 0.45% of the budget The number you guys were discussing was $225 million overall, compared to the overall net worth (not annual revenue) of $6.6B. Which is 3.4%. It's also literally two hundred and twenty five million dollars, which last I checked is a awful lot of money, pretty much regardless of context.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 10:51:53 GMT -5
To the best of my recollection, the Yankees have won numerous baseball games as well as several championships despite their severely flawed strategy of giving a lot of money to the best players.
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