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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 10, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -5
131 players have received the qualifying offer, ever, and 118 have declined it Fun fact: Tyler O’Neill’s top B-R comp through age 28, as well as overall, is old friend Wily Mo Pena Career 93 OPS+ and -1.2 bWAR Wily Mo Pena? How the heck is that the top comp for O'Neill and his 118 OPS+ and 12.8 fWAR?
Same reaction, but O’Neill is about to hit FA/age 30 having only topped 100 games twice. Likely weighted heavily, as that also characterized WMP’s mid to late 20s. I don’t have strong feelings on the QO question for either/both players. It has so much more to do with our aggressiveness towards the top end of the FA market and appetite for exceeding the luxury tax now that a window is quickly approaching. If you’re a “bird in the hand” type like me, you’d prefer to QO in viewing a player accepting as not a bad outcome, while also a generally unlikely outcome. The downside is the luxury tax and self imposed payroll restrictions, not perceived excess on the pitching staff or at OF/DH. |
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Post by 0ap0 on Sept 10, 2024 11:15:39 GMT -5
I'm in on QOs for both. We have a lot of flexibility provided by more than our share of excellent players playing for cheap. We have need of good people who fit the roles Pivetta and O'Neill slot into. We should be happy to moderately overpay for people like that right now, especially if we can do so in a way that doesn't tie up cash we'd like to use to extend homegrown stars. I don't see many preferable FAs we could sign for that kind of money for either position. If the only possible downside is you might've replaced their contributions with players that cost a couple million less it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 10, 2024 11:16:06 GMT -5
The danger of a QO is that they accept. Don't think so. Offering it up to O'Neill is like low hanging fruit at getting 2 free draft picks. Boras, his agent isn't about to let him agree when there is any chance at a LT deal. Hope Breslow understands this and makes the offer. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 10, 2024 11:18:44 GMT -5
42/3 seems like the *potential* deal range for a bat like this in FA based on last yr (same for Gurriel and Soler). I agree guaranteed money will be big for him, but I think his market w/ QO attached could prove limited, maybe even gets stuck in that limited to teams who have given up draft comp for somebody better first quandary, so he only costs the signing team later draft capital. Is there any reason the Red Sox cannot offer him a QO (so that he can remove chance of it in future), but then offer him (again he knows it is coming in advance of acceptance) an extension of a yr provided that he accepts the QO? The idea is in the end he gets say 30/2, so he gets more guaranteed money and higher AAV than Soler or Gurriel, and we get him for 2yrs at 15M AAV? Maybe if he goes to FA - he could get another $12M. But if he loses musical chairs, he gets $5-15M/1 (depending on who has a seat when he finally makes a decision). This situation is tough when guys with QOs have to wait out the top of the market, which actually hurts their ability to get the financial deal they could otherwise have gotten earlier in FA. If we thought he could also play 1B also, I would be tempted to sign for 2yrs as OF/1B/DH in $15 AAV range. Curious if this might be either allowable (to help him remove QO possibility in future, which is something we can afford to give him) or if a QO accept/extend would cause some type problem? Also of course feel free to chime in that you would never do this. Wouldn't be a fun day without some of that. There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Tyler O’Neill will end the year playing around 110 games. The discount comes from the knowledge that TO will probably miss 45-50 games per year, minimum. Yes, he is productive when he is on the field, but what is the probability that he will miss a lot of games. Signing injury risk players is a decent size amount of the reason Bloom is no longer PBO/GM of the Red Sox… IMO, he should not get 3/$50 million unless unless his good health is a probability, which it is not. He is looking like he will be spending more time at DH, and how much is too much for someone who spends most of his time as a DH. All that said, I love his attitude, HRs, overall results, and I would love to have his power RH bat I the lineup next year. Does he fit for three years….probably not, and he only fits next year if Yoshida is traded. Part of players pay is being ON the field, the second is for being productive. Those players who can not stay in the field deserve less monetary compensation. If a team wants to over pay for an injury risk, let them and move on. If a team wants to pay TO 3year $55 million than good luck with that. |
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Post by nonothing on Sept 10, 2024 12:25:43 GMT -5
There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Tyler O’Neill will end the year playing around 110 games. The discount comes from the knowledge that TO will probably miss 45-50 games per year, minimum. Yes, he is productive when he is on the field, but what is the probability that he will miss a lot of games. Signing injury risk players is a decent size amount of the reason Bloom is no longer PBO/GM of the Red Sox… IMO, he should not get 3/$50 million unless unless his good health is a probability, which it is not. He is looking like he will be spending more time at DH, and how much is too much for someone who spends most of his time as a DH. All that said, I love his attitude, HRs, overall results, and I would love to have his power RH bat I the lineup next year. Does he fit for three years….probably not, and he only fits next year if Yoshida is traded. Part of players pay is being ON the field, the second is for being productive. Those players who can not stay in the field deserve less monetary compensation. If a team wants to over pay for an injury risk, let them and move on. If a team wants to pay TO 3year $55 million than good luck with that. What he said |
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Post by nonothing on Sept 10, 2024 12:26:43 GMT -5
42/3 seems like the *potential* deal range for a bat like this in FA based on last yr (same for Gurriel and Soler). I agree guaranteed money will be big for him, but I think his market w/ QO attached could prove limited, maybe even gets stuck in that limited to teams who have given up draft comp for somebody better first quandary, so he only costs the signing team later draft capital. Is there any reason the Red Sox cannot offer him a QO (so that he can remove chance of it in future), but then offer him (again he knows it is coming in advance of acceptance) an extension of a yr provided that he accepts the QO? The idea is in the end he gets say 30/2, so he gets more guaranteed money and higher AAV than Soler or Gurriel, and we get him for 2yrs at 15M AAV? Maybe if he goes to FA - he could get another $12M. But if he loses musical chairs, he gets $5-15M/1 (depending on who has a seat when he finally makes a decision). This situation is tough when guys with QOs have to wait out the top of the market, which actually hurts their ability to get the financial deal they could otherwise have gotten earlier in FA. If we thought he could also play 1B also, I would be tempted to sign for 2yrs as OF/1B/DH in $15 AAV range. Curious if this might be either allowable (to help him remove QO possibility in future, which is something we can afford to give him) or if a QO accept/extend would cause some type problem? Also of course feel free to chime in that you would never do this. Wouldn't be a fun day without some of that. There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Teoscar settled for 23.5/1. If he could've gotten 45-50/3, you don't think he would have taken it? And do you think that is a significantly "better" contract than the guys at 42/3? I think that's roughly just the one yr version of 42/3, and he bet on his own health. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 10, 2024 12:29:27 GMT -5
There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Tyler O’Neill will end the year playing around 110 games. The discount comes from the knowledge that TO will probably miss 45-50 games per year, minimum. Yes, he is productive when he is on the field, but what is the probability that he will miss a lot of games. Signing injury risk players is a decent size amount of the reason Bloom is no longer PBO/GM of the Red Sox… IMO, he should not get 3/$50 million unless unless his good health is a probability, which it is not. He is looking like he will be spending more time at DH, and how much is too much for someone who spends most of his time as a DH. All that said, I love his attitude, HRs, overall results, and I would love to have his power RH bat I the lineup next year. Does he fit for three years….probably not, and he only fits next year if Yoshida is traded. Part of players pay is being ON the field, the second is for being productive. Those players who can not stay in the field deserve less monetary compensation. If a team wants to over pay for an injury risk, let them and move on. If a team wants to pay TO 3year $55 million than good luck with that. I agree with most of this. TON is more than a DH in the 1st place. He is an excellent outfielder. We BADLY need righthanded power. Hopefully Story and Grissom are healthy next season. That, in itself, would be a solid improvement, but that is NOT enough. Not even close. I would love to see him take a 2-year contract with a 3rd year option. He is an excellent teammate, and I don't see anyone in free agency better. I definitely, at the least, offer him a qualifying offer. And unless we have something else that will help our poor production against lefthanders, I think it should be offered. Possible offer: 2 years for $32 and an option for $16 with a payout of $5. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 10, 2024 12:31:31 GMT -5
42/3 seems like the *potential* deal range for a bat like this in FA based on last yr (same for Gurriel and Soler). I agree guaranteed money will be big for him, but I think his market w/ QO attached could prove limited, maybe even gets stuck in that limited to teams who have given up draft comp for somebody better first quandary, so he only costs the signing team later draft capital. Is there any reason the Red Sox cannot offer him a QO (so that he can remove chance of it in future), but then offer him (again he knows it is coming in advance of acceptance) an extension of a yr provided that he accepts the QO? The idea is in the end he gets say 30/2, so he gets more guaranteed money and higher AAV than Soler or Gurriel, and we get him for 2yrs at 15M AAV? Maybe if he goes to FA - he could get another $12M. But if he loses musical chairs, he gets $5-15M/1 (depending on who has a seat when he finally makes a decision). This situation is tough when guys with QOs have to wait out the top of the market, which actually hurts their ability to get the financial deal they could otherwise have gotten earlier in FA. If we thought he could also play 1B also, I would be tempted to sign for 2yrs as OF/1B/DH in $15 AAV range. Curious if this might be either allowable (to help him remove QO possibility in future, which is something we can afford to give him) or if a QO accept/extend would cause some type problem? Also of course feel free to chime in that you would never do this. Wouldn't be a fun day without some of that. There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. I'm largely in agreement with this. He's easily worth the QO off his performance. Hernandez is coming in at 1.8 wins per 300 PAs while O'Neill is over 2. While the issue of playing time can't be discounted I feel there would be quite a few teams who'd be eager to sign him. Hernandez' market in pre-season is a case study and O'Neill is nearly three years younger. |
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Post by nonothing on Sept 10, 2024 12:33:29 GMT -5
Tyler O’Neill will end the year playing around 110 games. The discount comes from the knowledge that TO will probably miss 45-50 games per year, minimum. Yes, he is productive when he is on the field, but what is the probability that he will miss a lot of games. Signing injury risk players is a decent size amount of the reason Bloom is no longer PBO/GM of the Red Sox… IMO, he should not get 3/$50 million unless unless his good health is a probability, which it is not. He is looking like he will be spending more time at DH, and how much is too much for someone who spends most of his time as a DH. All that said, I love his attitude, HRs, overall results, and I would love to have his power RH bat I the lineup next year. Does he fit for three years….probably not, and he only fits next year if Yoshida is traded. Part of players pay is being ON the field, the second is for being productive. Those players who can not stay in the field deserve less monetary compensation. If a team wants to over pay for an injury risk, let them and move on. If a team wants to pay TO 3year $55 million than good luck with that. I agree with most of this. TON is more than a DH in the 1st place. He is an excellent outfielder. We BADLY need righthanded power. Hopefully Story and Grissom are healthy next season. That, in itself, would be a solid improvement, but that is NOT enough. Not even close. I would love to see him take a 2-year contract with a 3rd year option. He is an excellent teammate, and I don't see anyone in free agency better. I definitely, at the least, offer him a qualifying offer. And unless we have something else that will help our poor production against lefthanders, I think it should be offered. Possible offer: 2 years for $32 and an option for $16 with a payout of $5. Agree, but maybe lighten the $5M buyout and make it a vesting option based on PT. I started at 32/2 vs 30/2 I put out. I think that rough range is ~right. You are paying an AAV discount that reflects he is likely to miss 50 games a yr, and he knows it too at this point in his career. But a vesting option would allow him to earn the 3rd yr if he is healthy and plays. |
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 10, 2024 13:24:40 GMT -5
There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Teoscar settled for 23.5/1. If he could've gotten 45-50/3, you don't think he would have taken it? And do you think that is a significantly "better" contract than the guys at 42/3? I think that's roughly just the one yr version of 42/3, and he bet on his own health. No, because Teoscar can do a lot better than 2 years AAV 10.75mil this offseason |
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Post by puzzler on Sept 10, 2024 13:26:28 GMT -5
There seems to be a pretty huge disconnect on this site about what O'Neill's value is and his results. I understand the injury risk - but in 99 games he's been so much better than either Gurriel or Soler. He is right now probably the best RH bat that will be available in free agency. Maybe Teoscar has more demand because he doesn't have the same injury risk and maybe his defense is a little better (not really sure of that) - but there's no better hitter going to be available. For example - any team that was looking to potentially add Pete Alonso would be stupid not to check in on O'Neill unless they just desperately need a first baseman. And if O'Neill IS a potential first base man, then that just increases his market even further which leads me to... ...the idea that a) he will accept the QO or b) that he will be forced to accept a 2 year deal both seem pretty laughable to me. I would be offering him 3/$45-50 before you even get to the QO. If he has to test the market then you move on to Teoscar. Teoscar settled for 23.5/1. If he could've gotten 45-50/3, you don't think he would have taken it? And do you think that is a significantly "better" contract than the guys at 42/3? I think that's roughly just the one yr version of 42/3, and he bet on his own health. Teoscar was 31 when he signed the one year deal AND coming off his worst season since 2019 (.741 OPS, 108 OPS+). That's not the case with O'Neill, who won't be 30 until June and will be coming off the second best year of his career (.894 OPS, 144 OPS+). But you're not even comparing O'Neill to Hernandez, you've somehow decided that his value is equal to Gurriel or Soler. I'm sorry but that's just not correct. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 10, 2024 13:52:29 GMT -5
I don't think anyone can say with any certainty how much the QO will or won't impact O'Neill and Pivetta's market. There aren't really many if any comparables I can find to either of them who received the QO and some of the guys who did that I would classify as "better" players in Chapman, Snell and to a lesser extent Montgomery who did receive the QO had their markets severely limited.
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Post by asm18 on Sept 10, 2024 13:59:16 GMT -5
If he has another hot stretch to end the year and has like mid-30's homers, despite the money concerns and the bevy of talented position players they have you kinda just have to do it
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Post by trotnixon7 on Sept 10, 2024 15:03:26 GMT -5
I have no problem paying either one of these guys $20M on a one-year deal, so I voted to give QOs to both. I'm with Theo Epstein, who said there's no such thing as a bad one-year contract. They both provide skill sets that the Red Sox desperately need more of, not less. NP is durable, providing innings and an average-ish ability to suppress scoring. TON is an RH bat with pop. My thinking is also driven by my hope that the Red Sox will exceed the first LTT of $241M in 2025. They have to stay under $280M to avoid the draft pick penalties. If both players accept QOs, the RSwill have ~$60M in AAV in just three players (Giolito, at $19.25M) coming off the books after '25, making it easier for them to get below the LTT for 2026, if they want to do that. I feel like my answer might change based on what their budget is. If we’re allowed to actually go over the CBT and go nuts, QO whoever you want. If there’s a hard line at or fairly below the CBT, and also a good portion of that space is reserved for possible extensions… it gets a lot less fun playing internet GM. I think at this point it would be borderline inexcusable if they don't go over it some. Although with henry caring less about the sox, it's probably safe to assume they don't. I'll be interested to see how they take advantage of this core. Do they "cheap out", generate the money by simply being a 90 win wc team or do they actually try and build strong teams and "go for it". I'm not saying do a repeat of dombrowski but they need to show aggressiveness and actually show they still care before I get too confident. |
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Post by pd on Sept 10, 2024 16:23:26 GMT -5
I voted both, but Pivetta is a toss up. TON has great value as a 30 hr RH bat, and they can easily afford him for next year, unless they think they're going big on a RH bat in FA (bad idea imo).
I like the idea of moving Pivetta to the bullpen, and I guess $20m is expensive for that, but it's a one year commitment and worth the upside that he'll decline and they'll get a pick out of it.
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Post by sxfan on Sept 10, 2024 17:22:12 GMT -5
I don't think you can give Pivetta the QO because of Giollito's player option. If Giollito wasn't guaranteed for next year, I'd lean more towards doing it. The Sox will need resources to find someone better than Pivetta next year. If you only had Houck, Bello, and Crawford guaranteed for 2025, you'd have to QO Pivetta.
Priester and Fitts with options are also behind the four of Houck, Crawford, Bello, and Giollito. You have okay starting depth for the first time in a long time.
Tyler O'Neil on the other hand you have to give the QO. Worst case scenario is you put Duran in CF, Abreu/Anthony in RF, and O'Neil in LF for another year. Rafaela turns into the new Kiké Hernandez/10th man on a roster to get 400-450 at bats and comes in after the 6th inning in every game you have a lead (assuming everyone is healthy).
If he turns down the QO then free money/picks.
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Post by dcb26 on Sept 10, 2024 20:34:52 GMT -5
Seeing a few posts talking about O'Neill as a complete player or multi-dimensional and I wonder if they're watching the same person. He's been excellent at the plate as long as there's nobody on first base, and/or in his first PA of the game. Other than that he's been average to worse at everything else: his speed has fallen off, his defense has been poor with his arm OK and his range awful, he really struggles to make contact (we all know this, but really, check out his K% and Whiff%) - he's also been terrible in any situation with men on first, but I have to assume that's at least partly/mostly random. There is definite value in his power and discipline, regardless of the caveats, but I have trouble viewing him as anything other than a TTO DH going forward. This matches what my eyes are telling me as well - there's been plenty of talk about his (lack of) clutch hitting, but he has also stopped taking extra bases and several times in the field has let seemingly routine fly balls drop in because he declined to pursue them (I think he's become afraid of getting hurt by crashing into a wall? I get it given his injury history but it doesn't change the reality of what his defense has become.) He deserves to play for someone next year, but I don't think it makes sense for it to be in Boston.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Sept 11, 2024 9:59:58 GMT -5
I want extra picks badly, probably too badly. Between O’Neill, Pivetta and possibility of PPI picks, they’re bound to end up with something, right?
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Post by nomar on Sept 11, 2024 10:08:46 GMT -5
With Yoshida’s second half you can make the argument of preferring him over O’Neill as DH, but if TON accepted a QO, they might be better off trying to offload Yoshida’s contract. I’m not sure you want $18-20M dedicated to a DH after 2025 considering that the OF will have Abreu, Duran, Anthony, Rafaela and maybe Garcia if he keeps his 2024 momentum going.
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Post by puzzler on Sept 11, 2024 10:12:03 GMT -5
Seeing a few posts talking about O'Neill as a complete player or multi-dimensional and I wonder if they're watching the same person. He's been excellent at the plate as long as there's nobody on first base, and/or in his first PA of the game. Other than that he's been average to worse at everything else: his speed has fallen off, his defense has been poor with his arm OK and his range awful, he really struggles to make contact (we all know this, but really, check out his K% and Whiff%) - he's also been terrible in any situation with men on first, but I have to assume that's at least partly/mostly random. There is definite value in his power and discipline, regardless of the caveats, but I have trouble viewing him as anything other than a TTO DH going forward. This matches what my eyes are telling me as well - there's been plenty of talk about his (lack of) clutch hitting, but he has also stopped taking extra bases and several times in the field has let seemingly routine fly balls drop in because he declined to pursue them (I think he's become afraid of getting hurt by crashing into a wall? I get it given his injury history but it doesn't change the reality of what his defense has become.) He deserves to play for someone next year, but I don't think it makes sense for it to be in Boston. I'm wondering where you saw this? |
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 11, 2024 10:23:46 GMT -5
If this was the old Red Sox I give both QO but the problem is if they accept and that money affects Breslow in picking up other pieces that sucks. When Mr Canada was hurt it killed this team.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 11, 2024 11:26:58 GMT -5
With Yoshida’s second half you can make the argument of preferring him over O’Neill as DH, but if TON accepted a QO, they might be better off trying to offload Yoshida’s contract. I’m not sure you want $18-20M dedicated to a DH after 2025 considering that the OF will have Abreu, Duran, Anthony, Rafaela and maybe Garcia if he keeps his 2024 momentum going. In isolation this is reasonable, but in looking at the current roster I do not enjoy the idea of getting rid of the hitter who has by far the lowest K rate on the team in favor of the guy who has the highest. |
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Post by nomar on Sept 11, 2024 11:37:37 GMT -5
With Yoshida’s second half you can make the argument of preferring him over O’Neill as DH, but if TON accepted a QO, they might be better off trying to offload Yoshida’s contract. I’m not sure you want $18-20M dedicated to a DH after 2025 considering that the OF will have Abreu, Duran, Anthony, Rafaela and maybe Garcia if he keeps his 2024 momentum going. In isolation this is reasonable, but in looking at the current roster I do not enjoy the idea of getting rid of the hitter who has by far the lowest K rate on the team in favor of the guy who has the highest. Yeah and TON’s injury tendencies aren’t ideal either. I just think the difference between the two in overall production is probably not that large, so if you can keep one and financially unburden yourself it might make sense. |
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Post by puzzler on Sept 11, 2024 11:40:18 GMT -5
If this was the old Red Sox I give both QO but the problem is if they accept and that money affects Breslow in picking up other pieces that sucks. When Mr Canada was hurt it killed this team. People are just happily whistling past our struggles against left handed pitching (which I have a guess is a pretty big contributing factor to our home woes as well) graveyard. If we lose O'Neill and Ref both, which I think is pretty decent possibility AND don't find RH hitting replacements (there's not much available in FA) - we can pretty much guarantee we won't improve much in 2025. I'd be fine with Teoscar as a backup outfielder/mostly DH - but he's going to cost exactly what O'Neill does in terms of years and money; and is 1.5 years older. There is nothing else. I'm also fine with trading other outfielders; but I'd prefer not to be swapping Abreu for his right handed counterpart and instead part with him for pitching. But let's separate that from the QO discussion; O'Neill is NOT going to accept the QO, but if he does, that should assuage any concerns about long term cost. If an additional $5M sinks this offseason; then we should pretty much stop watching. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 11, 2024 17:14:44 GMT -5
Hernandez has an awful glove in RF and really.. he may have a cannon of an arm, but -0- clue as to how to use it, like which base, cutoff guy. He's a liabilty in the field and doesn't Boston already have 1 of that type already inked for another 3y, who was supposed to play in the OF?
Watched the M's, as always do the year hernandez was there. It doesn't get much worse than him in RF, u stick him in a trickier RF, like Fenway, hen pay him tons of cash? What is it with the fanbase sometimes.
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