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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 21:32:55 GMT -5
If the team thinks Duran is close I could easy see Arroyo being the odd man out.
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 21:31:27 GMT -5
Plawecki as the back up catcher, Santana starts in AAA and you go with 14 Pitchers to start. Can Santana opt out if he is sent to minors?? Or is there an opt out date??
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 14:26:24 GMT -5
Any reports on how JD Martinez is looking? Seemed to be getting singles, but more than the stats??? If he can be the 300 400 550 player that he was it will go along ways to legitimizing this order
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 1:52:19 GMT -5
I think people are overthinking the player versatility. We will see lots of lineups. But the core guys are going to play the same position most everyday. That is going to include KIKI at 2B, And verdugo in CF ( at least until Duran is given a shot ) Cora has gone on record in saying that he's going to move Kiké around. Also clearly said his best position in 2B. Obviously he is going to keep options open. And I’m not saying he won’t end up playing around the field, I’d be very surprised as the season goes if he is not at 2B most all of the time. I’d doesn't make sense to move multiple players around the diamond. The lineup and team is far from decided and obviously it’s a process in motion, but I’d be shocked if it’s a massive rotation.
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 1:36:57 GMT -5
As god is my witness, I have absolutely no memory of Billy Wagner being on the Boston Red Sox. I mostly just remember him from the ALDS game he and Papelbon blew for us that led to a sweep. We were in a great position to at least get 1 win that series and then the two of them combined for 5 runs allowed in the final 2 innings. Definitely can't complain about how he did in the regular season though. I don’t recall the exact details but Wagner was an August waiver claim. He initially vetoed the deal. Took some time but the Sox had to agree not to pick up his option. Ended up offering Arb and getting a comp pick. Can’t remember who but I think it was Brentz, Workman or Renaudo.
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 5, 2021 1:29:37 GMT -5
There's no room for him in MLB if everyone is healthy, but he's terrific insurance against a major injury or a disappointing performance by Arroyo, whom they seem to be high on, to the extent of giving him a real shot at 2B at least against RHP -- I think you'll see that, with Kiké in CF, more often than Renfroe in RF, Verdugo in CF, and Kiké at 2B. Maybe quite a bit more often.
Basically, they now have him and Arroyo as candidates for a single roster spot, with a chance for both to get regular PT for two months (Arroyo) or a month (Santana) to get a handle on who they prefer. And if there's a long-term injury, they can go with both.
Santana has started at least 12 games at every position except pitcher and catcher (the 12 is at 3B). Kiké cannot match that -- he's only started 11 games at 1B.
I think people are overthinking the player versatility. We will see lots of lineups. But the core guys are going to play the same position most everyday. That is going to include KIKI at 2B, And verdugo in CF ( at least until Duran is given a shot )
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 4, 2021 18:23:02 GMT -5
The Santana signing is interesting. He fits what the Red Sox are doing and he's a switch-hitter who has played the most in CF and SS and has handled all other positions other than catcher and pitcher. So looking at the lineup: C: Vazquez 1B: Dalbec 2b: Gonzalez SS: Bogaerts 3B: Devers LF: Cordero CF: Hernandez RF: Verdugo DH: Martinez 3 man bench: C: Plawecki OF: Renfroe (or he starts in RF, Kiké goes to 2b, Verdugo goes to CF, and Gonzalez is the bench guy) UT: Arroyo But I think Santana could make it a four man bench or be the first guy up, ahead of Munoz perhaps, if there's an injury? At some point, I'd think the Sox have to revert to 13 pitchers instead of 14, especially if Duran forces his way up. KIKI is the 2B. Everyday.
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Post by blizzards39 on Mar 3, 2021 14:50:06 GMT -5
Well, looks like Bobby's gonna be the guy I have unrealistic expectations for coming out of Spring Training! I'm setting the over/under for him at Aaron Judge's rookie season: .284/.422/.627. 52 bombs (and a 31% K rate!). Booby has massive power but I think that is a lot to ask.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 21:36:49 GMT -5
I get it but I wouldn’t want to draft a guy with those swing and miss issues in the top five. Granted he could improve them but those scouting reports are red flags especially when he probably doesn’t stick in CF. He went 1-13 with 7 Ks in the Miami series all I’m saying is let’s see what he does in conference. I agree with your point this pick this year will be huge for the red sox moving forward. That's why I hope they go pitching, it always seems like bloom reads pitching prospects better then anyone the red sox have had in my lifetime. I still think Fabian turns in to a decent player maybe clint Frazier type of prospect. I could be wrong but i still like taking position players. More potential impact. That said I think if the FO likes either Leiter or rocker I’m fine with the pick.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 14:08:46 GMT -5
OK. I feel compelled to ask. Why does Cora feel compelled to lead off with Hernandez? How is a "fastball hunter" better suited to the leadoff spot than a guy who simply gets on base? Do we really want a guy with a .300 OBP (if that against righties) leading off? Personally, I'd lead off with Verdugo. I wouldn’t read much into lineup in ST. It’s about getting guys there ABs and innings
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 13:47:37 GMT -5
Nice way to start the spring.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:37:35 GMT -5
The whole point is MRIs are not right or wrong. It’s an interpretation of a picture. Ligament swelling and issues can come and go. A full tear may be obvious, but other than that it’s not a 100% science. Lots of players have had lots of success not at full arm strength/health. All I’m saying is when you consistently have arm issues it’s most likely at least somewhat related. None of us know his arm health or what doctors said or suggested. It’s ignorant to assume any of that. Obviously Richards has had an arm issue. How much of it is related is argumentable and for that matter unknown. You can go back to reports from 2017 and 2018 and see what the doctors said. The same doctors that said C-19 had a 2% death rate?? Obviously we can’t agree on this. No reason for me to make anymore points on it.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:35:24 GMT -5
It’s interesting to note the starting rotation for ST G1 - evo G2- Richards G3- Perez G4- Pivetta G5- Andrese G6- Erod
So if all goes according to plan it dosnt take a rocket scientist to figure that the rotation is planned to be 1- Erod 2- evo 3- Richards 4- Perez 5- Pivetta
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:23:14 GMT -5
Why did you have TJ if just letting it heal makes you 100%? Why did Richards get it after not getting it the first time? He threw what 25 innings on that 100% elbow over two years, then has the same issues after 75 innings? Oh course you can tear it again even after it's new and absolutely some guys are more prone then others. How long is the list of pitchers: that get TJ every 100 innings over two years? Eovaldi went 9 years between surgeries. I don’t understand your questions. Are you asking why I didn’t just, like, not play for a year and hope it was better? He had a platelet shot (not available to me). I don’t know why he did, though one assumes his doctors believed it would work. As for blizzard’s point... sure, the MRI could be wrong. But now we’re saying a) the doctors were dumb to give him the shot; b) the doctors were dumb when they cleared him; c) the doctors were dumb when they looked at his MRI; d) he pitched really well with a blown elbow in 2017, felt great as 2018 started, threw 16 more games with a blown elbow, then finally decide to have surgery. So for two years neither he nor his doctors noticed his blown elbow. Two spring trainings, no signs. Then he decides, hey, this has been blown for years but I’ll have surgery right before I go up for free agency. The whole point is MRIs are not right or wrong. It’s an interpretation of a picture. Ligament swelling and issues can come and go. A full tear may be obvious, but other than that it’s not a 100% science. Lots of players have had lots of success not at full arm strength/health. All I’m saying is when you consistently have arm issues it’s most likely at least somewhat related. None of us know his arm health or what doctors said or suggested. It’s ignorant to assume any of that. Obviously Richards has had an arm issue. How much of it is related is argumentable and for that matter unknown.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:13:00 GMT -5
Maybe the Sox tanked for Kumar after all? I wonder if the theory behind teams passing on Rocker is - contract related ? - they would rather have a position player ? - they don’t have faith in his future ? He has been the consensus top prospect now for quite some time. Any guess on where Rocker would fit into the RedSox and top 100 rankings?
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:04:24 GMT -5
So you're just trolling then? No. He has had multiple elbow injuries. You get a clean MRI, you are clean. So might it not just as easily be the stress that caused the first injury caused it again? Look at his 6 starts in 2017. That is not a guy with a blown elbow. Especially the career-low walk rate. When you have a blown elbow, it is harder to do anything, including throw strikes. And there *are* guys who are more likely to have it. I was warned from sophomore year of high school I dragged. It was inevitable. And so we have a guy like Eovaldi. You think the *two* TJs mean he is less likely to reinjure? No way. Happens twice, there is a reason. Mechanics, stress, just throwing too damn hard. That is not to say it’ll happen. It is just that it is not an inoculation, and if there are underlying reasons you blew, then the clock starts again when you throw your first pitch of rehab. I can’t disagree more, about Richards elbow. Those years of right arm injuries were almost certainly related. First off a clean MRI means nothing. Do you know what an MRI is?? A doctor makes an interpretation based on a picture. My wife had cancer. Got 3 completely different answers on the same MRI. Medicine for the most part and especially parts like ligaments are not black and white. Plus once you have TJ surgery it’s not like your ligament is back to normal just like that. It’s literally 13-15 months of rehab. How this rehabilitation goes directly affects the result and strength that you have. All of this dosnt even take the whole mental state into account. Scared to throw hard, changing arm slot, being rusty, just the general fear of it happening again. This can cause all kinds of issues. It takes all people different amounts of time to get past a major surgical procedure like TJ. Some real fast and back to normal, some have to relearn and some never recover. One thing I know is the farther away from TJ you can get without an issue the better. Richards seemed good last year. Hopefully that is a sign. Then again nobody can argue that once you have elbow issues the odds are against you.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 28, 2021 0:03:03 GMT -5
So you're just trolling then? No. He has had multiple elbow injuries. You get a clean MRI, you are clean. So might it not just as easily be the stress that caused the first injury caused it again? Look at his 6 starts in 2017. That is not a guy with a blown elbow. Especially the career-low walk rate. When you have a blown elbow, it is harder to do anything, including throw strikes. And there *are* guys who are more likely to have it. I was warned from sophomore year of high school I dragged. It was inevitable. And so we have a guy like Eovaldi. You think the *two* TJs mean he is less likely to reinjure? No way. Happens twice, there is a reason. Mechanics, stress, just throwing too damn hard. That is not to say it’ll happen. It is just that it is not an inoculation, and if there are underlying reasons you blew, then the clock starts again when you throw your first pitch of rehab. I can’t disagree more, about Richards elbow. Those years of right arm injuries were almost certainly related. First off a clean MRI means nothing. Do you know what an MRI is?? A doctor makes an interpretation based on a picture. My wife had cancer. Got 3 completely different answers on the same MRI. Medicine for the most part and especially parts like ligaments are not black and white. Plus once you have TJ surgery it’s not like your ligament is back to normal just like that. It’s literally 13-15 months of rehab. How this rehabilitation goes directly affects the result and strength that you have. All of this dosnt even take the whole mental state into account. Scared to throw hard, changing arm slot, being rusty, just the general fear of it happening again. This can cause all kinds of issues. It takes all people different amounts of time to get past a major surgical procedure like TJ. Some real fast amd back to normal, some have to relearn and se never recover. One thing I know is the farther away from TJ you can get without an issue the better. Richards seemed good last year. Hopefully that is a sign. Then again nobody can argue that once you have elbow issues the odds are against you.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 23:39:32 GMT -5
I just read a headline Sox got Bryant form Cubs. That woulda been a good way to cap off the off-season. Anyway I way just looking at Zacks stat line. This guy looks good. Walks a few but Ks lots. But most impressively this guy has NEVER given up a home run. At least going back to 2016.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 23:34:13 GMT -5
Platoons are fine....in small measure. Look at the last 20 World Series winners. They aren't clubs who rely heavily on platoons. Not to mention that you risk marketing revenue losses. Who comes to game and / or buys jerseys of platoon guys. Alot of folks here know better than i do, and increasing the depth is great (for reasons you mentioned). But, getting back to the thread premise, if Bloom thinks he is going to win either the World Series or the market fandom, by over relying on platoons.....i can safely say he is going to fail, in one or both of those metrics. Those roster types are for small market teams with lack of financial muscle. The Sox, at some point in the future, need to flex that competitive advantage. Totally agree. The issue of *product* is one we haven’t discussed enough. People can mock me for holding Mookie against Bloom, but I doubt I’m alone. When you combine that with saying our new outfield is a mix of semi-anonymous part-times, it doesn’t make me want to shell out $100+ for my mlb app. I have a few general points and I’m Not trying to start a fight of anything but - 1- I think it’s safe to say Mookies interest in signing with the RedSox wasnt 100%. No reason to speculate the reasons. 2- a $210 M$ payrole team dosnt need to do a complete tear down 3- we as Sox fans grossly overate are own players. 4- can’t miss 55 plus level prospects are hard to find. 5- 40 level prospects almost never amount to anything. DD won us 2018. Probably over built the team. But the Sox won. It cost is 2019 and 2020. As for this year I’m more optimistic than most. Time will tell,, but it does get old people dogging the moves of the FO and being down on the new players. We have to trust that Henry Bloom and Cora don’t have any interest in being poor for long.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 16:04:52 GMT -5
With Richards has it been a whole bunch of injuries? I don’t think so. Lost most of 2 seasons to Tommy John. Not saying he is an injury free durable pitcher. Just saying he is no rich hill either. Knee. Bicep 2017. Shoulder 2019. He is a medical school course. I wouldn’t go medical School coarse. Obviously this year wand going forward will tell. But he was relatively healthy until hi TJ in 2016 and again last year. I’m not saying he won’t be hurt but how much of his whole injury history steams from the TJ. And is it posible that is all now in the past??
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 15:57:54 GMT -5
With Richards has it been a whole bunch of injuries? I don’t think so. Lost most of 2 seasons to Tommy John. Not saying he is an injury free durable pitcher. Just saying he is no rich hill either.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 15:54:23 GMT -5
Anyone remember Rich Garces and his weight loss? Didn't work out so great, ended his career. El GUAPO
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 13:18:53 GMT -5
The biggest trade chip we may have is Erod. I can’t see much a return for Martinez with the limited market for DH amd his salary. Looking at upcoming FAs. Evo, CV, Ottivinno and Barnes may bring something of significance. That said if all of these guys stay healthy and are having a season where they have value I don’t think the Sox will be in the trade market.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 13:12:41 GMT -5
This is the time of year where we generally see stories about players reporting to camp in the best shape of their lives. Typically that is followed by a statement that they have added 20lbs of muscle, etc. etc. I was always very skeptical of that for 3-months, but this year I have noticed many players have reported to camp having lost weight... Vlad, Jr: -42 lbs A.Garcia: -36 lbs J.Familia: -30 lbs E.Escobar: -20 lbs C.Vazquez: -15 lbs E.Suarez: -15 lbs A.Meadows: -15 lbs I am not suggesting this is a bad thing, just that it seems to be a different trend. Is something else going on that I am not aware of (PED testing or other)? Most of this list didn’t loose muscle. No easy way to put it. They were fat. Nothing to do with PEDs. To do with being in better physical condition.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 13:10:01 GMT -5
The Sox are in a good situation. Expectations are not that high. If things are going good record wise, great. If not, then hopefully this summers sell off is the last one. As for CV it all depends on the return. So far Bloom and company have did a fine job of getting a pretty good return on assets. That said, I’d like to start adding to the top of then list and I’m not sure Vazquez will return top end talent.
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