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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 26, 2023 12:15:00 GMT -5
Definitely all true. His BABIP was extraordinarilly high at .381. While I suspect that BABIP will be a strength for him due to his speed, that number is not sustainable. He's like too many other guys we have on the field in that his defensive deficiencies cannibalize his offensive value. B-Ref and FG have him at 2.1 and 2.4 WAR respectively. I would expect those numbers to be higher for a CF who had a 121 OPS-plus and 120 wRC+ and was 24 for 26 in SB. It's a tough call whether to shop him or keep him. The offensive energy he brings is tantalizing. But there are reasons to move him. I also agree with your point about other teams seeing him as a regression candidate. Thats a 3.5/4 WAR pace over 600 PAs, I don’t think your thesis stands up. Ideally he’d take another step forward defensively but it’s not like he’s totally abject out there. The BABIP isn’t sustainable, but he hit the ball hard with average whiff/chase numbers. If he can do that the speed will help his production play up from the batted ball numbers. I don’t think the path to putting up a .270/.325/.425 line is especially hard to make out. And I think it’s worth keeping in mind that a suite of rule changes were made specifically to benefit players like him. It’ll probably take some time to accumulate enough data for the projection systems and expected stats models to catch up with those changes. I don't think other teams see him as a potential 4 WAR guy on a regular basis. I hope you're right and he has that kind of potential. He'd either be an excellent player for the Red Sox or an attractive trade chip. But his WAR pace that you cite includes the super high BABIP, right? I don't think WAR assumes normalization for BABIP. As Pappyman99 noted, his xwOBA was pretty unspectacular (.319). And yes, his defense improved but it did so by going from horiffic to just plain old less than average - he went from -17 UZR/150 games (Yikes!) to -3.3 UZR/150 games.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 26, 2023 10:53:01 GMT -5
Duran is in line for major regression, I wouldn’t not be surprised at all if he isn’t even a 1 WAR player next year My hunch is the whole league feels this way which is probably why we haven’t traded him His BABIP was extremely high, his xWOBA was pretty low nothing to me says he will be improving or repeating what he did last season Definitely all true. His BABIP was extraordinarilly high at .381. While I suspect that BABIP will be a strength for him due to his speed, that number is not sustainable. He's like too many other guys we have on the field in that his defensive deficiencies cannibalize his offensive value. B-Ref and FG have him at 2.1 and 2.4 WAR respectively. I would expect those numbers to be higher for a CF who had a 121 OPS-plus and 120 wRC+ and was 24 for 26 in SB. It's a tough call whether to shop him or keep him. The offensive energy he brings is tantalizing. But there are reasons to move him. I also agree with your point about other teams seeing him as a regression candidate.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 26, 2023 9:45:34 GMT -5
I see both sides of the Duran argument. The Red Sox need to undo some of the LH heaviness of the lineup and replacing an OF spot could be a way to do it. They also need to get some of the bad defense off the field. Replacing Duran with a better defender would help there too.
They are short on options for either of these two goals because Raffy and Casas are big offensive performers who aren't going anywhere. Abreu showed promise as a potential high-OBP, moderate slugging bat with decent defense in his short time with the ML team.
The DH spot should be an obvious spot to add a RH bat. But that's clogged with Yoshi, who has an untradeable contract.
Duran is also cheap and electrifies the offense when he's right. With our SP needs, which will cost money to solve because the farm isn't going to produce anything big there in the near future, it'd be tough to trade a cost-controlled talent like Duran.
But one of Duran, Little Raffy or Abreu is likely to be traded by the time Roman Anthony is ready. SP projects that as mid-2025.
So, to be forward-looking it's worthwhile, IMO, to shop Duran and see what we can get for him before he hits arb.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 26, 2023 0:13:30 GMT -5
I'd be Ok with TO on a two-year deal but not three. I feel strongly that we want a lot of room to roam under the LTT when the youngins start to make their impact. We'll need to add top veteran talent in the same way D-Dom acquired Price, Sale and Kimbrel to complement the great young nucleus he inherited.
I'd try to lure Teoscar for two years by being a little generous on the AAV. Ditto for Giolito.
Fenway is a real factor for Teoscar. His .950 OPS there is his sixth highest among all the parks he has played in. But in the five parks where his OPS is higher, his highest number of PAs is 33 in Citi Field. He's had 189 PAs in Fenway.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 25, 2023 10:58:35 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2023/12/17/gary-sheffield-deserves-baseball-hall-of-fame/71944010007/I'm a hardliner when it comes to keeping confirmed PED users out of the HOF and always assumed that Gary Sheffield was one of them. But this story in USA Today has me rethinking that. I'm wondering what others who don't want users in the HOF think about it. Sheffield (obviously not a distinterested party in the matter) and Victor Conte (obviously a scumbag, but I'm not sure why he'd have reason to lie for Sheffield) make a compelling case that Sheffield did not knowingly use and that his unknowing usage was extremely short-lived.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 25, 2023 10:51:08 GMT -5
I can't imagine how a moderator on a message board knew for sure that YY was going to LAD, no matter what.
Apparently other MLB FOs didn't know because they took the time to meet with him and make offers. Reporters who are in touch with execs, PA sources, agents, players, etc. didn't know either, as evidenced by all the speculative stories and tweets that flew.
But Swingingbunt's point about not banking on getting YY to Boston is a good one. If they are really serious about fixing the SP this off-season, they should have hedged their bets and gotten a reasonable deal with a No. 2 or 3 type starter whose contract is unlikely to become an albatross.
Sonny Gray got a three-year, $75M contract with the Cardinals. E-Rod got four years and $80M from the D-Backs. Those contracts are reasonable in years and dollars (though I'll admit Gray's AAV was a few million higher than I anticipated). I wish we had snagged one.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 25, 2023 10:36:29 GMT -5
First, Merry Christmas, everyone.
A question: Is there some weirdness going on with the board lately? A couple of times recently, I have been unable to get onto the Forum on my desktop or phone. Then the problem fixes itself and everything is back to normal.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 24, 2023 18:38:40 GMT -5
I think the signing had a by shotgun feel. They go to their fanfest, made up of people paying money to come out to see them and they get booed like crazy, and a lot of talk in the industry has them wondering how they could decide not to offer Betts top money to stay or not making a reasonable contract offer much sooner to another face of the franchise guy in Bogaerts there was a lot of pressure on them not to have it happen a 3rd time, and I think it greased the wheels for the Sox to make a full market value type offer to Devers. I honestly dont know if that was something they wanted to do or felt pressured to do. Maybe they really felt that Devers age made it more reasonable although the guy looks like hes going to be a DH must sooner than the guys they passed up re-signing. At the end of the day I'm glad they kept him rather than losing him. And I don't suppose repeating the observation for the umpteenth time that they had spent over a year publicly talking about how they wanted to extend Devers would affect this view, would it. They said that about X, too, but were never really got serious about it. Teams either say they want to keep a player or they don't say anything at all. JWH got razzed at the hockey game at Fenway. Then shortly thereafter they gave a contract with numbers that surprised most of us to a player who has now averaged 3.4 WAR over four seasons. It might be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 22:04:44 GMT -5
“One thing the Yankees considered when making their offer to Yoshinobu Yamamoto was that they didn't believe anyone should have a bigger deal than Gerrit Cole, per @jonheyman” You would think a Cy Young Winner like Gerrit Cole wouldn’t get peeved about another pitcher making more money than him on the same team, but he also melted down in a playoff game at Fenway Park because fans were harassing him with Kermit puppets while he warming up, so who’s to say really /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1446142881828311044¤tTweetUser=Jared_Carrabis The Sox had a similar issue when they were trying to trade for Curt Schillong during Thanksgiving 2003. Schilling was trying to negotiate a new deal but Theo told him they couldnt pay him more than Pedro. This kind of stuff does happen. Big egos can bruise. Theo may have used that as a negotiating ploy, but Pedro is a bright guy and would have understood that his $12.5M/year (along with the $17.5 2004 option) was hammered out six years earlier and that BB salaries had risen. Also, Schilling ended up getting an AAV of just over $13M in his Red Sox deal, so by that measure he did surpass Pedro's $12.5M (not counting the 2004 option obviously). Pedro hasn't lost his sanity over it. But Schilling has certainly lost his marbles, not to mention his dignity, over something.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 21:53:27 GMT -5
The Dodgers wil certainly cash in on SO, particulary since he basically gave them a massive loan. But I'm pretty sure the money for shirts, etc. gets split up with the union and the other teams. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Sox aren't going to end up with as much money as the Dodgers for Dodgers gear. I think they will actually, except for the Dodger gear sold at Dodger Stadium. That's considered local revenue, so they get to keep all of it. But it's Ok because the Red Sox will more than make up for it with sales of Tyler O'Neill shirts. If somebody who knows more about this than me wants to point out that I am wrong, I will humbly stand corrected.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 21:47:11 GMT -5
“One thing the Yankees considered when making their offer to Yoshinobu Yamamoto was that they didn't believe anyone should have a bigger deal than Gerrit Cole, per @jonheyman” You would think a Cy Young Winner like Gerrit Cole wouldn’t get peeved about another pitcher making more money than him on the same team, but he also melted down in a playoff game at Fenway Park because fans were harassing him with Kermit puppets while he warming up, so who’s to say really /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1446142881828311044¤tTweetUser=Jared_Carrabis They called him Kermit the Frog? How terrible. Fortunately, the PA has negotiated a Cadillac health-care plan to cover Cole's therapy and repair the trauma. The guy with the Kermit puppet should get free season tix for life.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 14:17:06 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking imagine the following is true: - Jordan Montgomery and Blake Snell get 6/$160 offers from other teams that they prefer to Boston. Each go to Breslow and say I will sign with you guys if you go up to 7/$185. - Luzardo and Cease are available on the trade block and both teams ask for a package to be headlined by 1 one Casas/Bello. - Burnes and Bieber are available but each team asks for a package headlined by one of Mayer/Anthony. Both of them say they are committed to going to free agency and won't sign an extension. Would anyone do any of these? Or would you just go try and get Imanaga/Stroman/Giolito or a pitcher like Edward Cabrera? Avoid overpaying for free agents and don't trade away prospects.
I feel like Breslow is crashing against the same logic Bloom did: in the abstract, wouldn't it be fun to trade for some great young pitching or other controllable stars. Both Bloom and Breslow have publicly mused about this. But then you look at where the organization is; the fact that one such acquisition is not going to put them over the top; the fact that their best long-term bet is to cultivate home-grown stars; and the concrete possibilities for making that kind of a trade dissolve. What happened was that the farm system, for various reasons, collapsed in the late 2010s, and ever since then the game has been to build it back up while stitching together enough value signings in free agency and minor trades to build a mid-80s-win roster that can make the playoffs if things break right. Signing Yamamoto would have been one of the few big moves that would have made sense for this team. Signing Montgomery to 7/185? Not so much. If they just come away with like Giolito and Paxton or something because Montgomery and Snell got too expensive, it'd be fine; again, they'll be in basically the same place they've been in for the last three seasons, with a respectable chance to make the playoffs if things break right. And overpaying for one of the big names wouldn't solve their fundamental problems. But the reason the team still seems to be acting the same way it did under Bloom is that their situation kind of dictates this course of action. The funniest possible outcome of all this would be if they do miss out on the big names, prompting a media/fan revolt, and then they ride big seasons from Sale, Pivetta, Abreu, Yoshida, and Devers to the playoffs, as Breslow gets all the credit for "turning the organization around." The only thing I'd add to this is that I'd be more concerned about overpaying in years than in money. I give CB1 credit for keeping last winter's contracts short - one-year deals for Turner, Kluber and Duvall. (Ditto for KKH, who was extended for a year before the '22 season was over.) And two-year deals for KJ and Martin in the pen. CB1 recognized that 2023 was not a GFIN year. I'm sure CB2 feels the same way about 2024. At this point, I'd feel better about this off-season if they use some of their LTT space on extensions for Casas and Bello, not on overpays for FAs whose contracts are going to be a burden in a couple of years when the organizaiton is ready to ascdend again. Know-it-all message board posters like us (😊) will grumble through another last-place season but it'll be the right approach in the long run.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 13:47:43 GMT -5
It seems likely that YY knew where he was going to go before he even started negotiating and everyone knew that. If it was money, Cohen wouldn't have been outbid. Imagine how much Dodger gear is about to be shipped from Thailand to Japan. The Dodgers wil certainly cash in on SO, particulary since he basically gave them a massive loan. But I'm pretty sure the money for shirts, etc. gets split up with the union and the other teams.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 13:45:04 GMT -5
I'm basing my comment on the same stories you've seen - the ones that said they offered $300M. Even if we take those as true and ignore the ones that say they may not have been in the game at all, they still didn't make an offer to blow away the field. Look, I'm not ripping them for this. I still believe in CB2. It'll take a lot more than one non-signing of a FA to make me give up on him. And while I would have liked to land YY, I hear the points others are making about his size and zero track record in MLB. My point was that if the LAD got him for $325M and the Red Sox offered $300M or thereabouts, then the Red Sox didn't came up way short jut the way the Friedman or D-Dom quote says will happen if you don't make an offer that has you reaching for the Pepto-Bismol. We may be happy about that in 2027. Or we may be terribly disappointed. I see. I guess I consider their going $100 million over the early higher-bound estimates of what he'd sign for to be a vigorous enough effort. And to an extent maybe I disagree with the view you're ascribing to Friedman and Dombrowski - one or two guys a year might get the Bogaerts treatment, a contract way above any initial projections, but most guys end up pretty close. Of course I also disagree with the consensus that the Red Sox' biggest problem lately has been a failure to spend huge gobs of money on star free agents. I agree with a lot of this, particuarly the part about not spending gobs of money. In fact, I wish they hadn't signed Yoshi and Story. That's not a second guess. There were legitimate reasons to wonder about the wisdom of those contracts as soon as they were signed. Story had health questions and Yoshi's defense was reportedly bad to the point where it seemed like it would offset whatever offensive value he brought. Those contracts combined will make it harder to sign the stud guys they'll need to complement low-salaried Mayer, Teel, Anthony, Baby Raffy, Bello and Casas when the time is right. On the bolded, I'm just not sure, man. Without looking at any data, my impression every off-season is that as the FA process plays out the price on guys goes up and up well past the projections, particularly for the top guys. In our exchange here, we've discussed two right off the top of our heads - X and YY. And of course, the Ohtani numbers blew everybody's mind. I expect Montgomery, Bellinger and possibly Snell to get deals that have us shaking our heads. I mean Bellinger was -1.7 and 1.2 B-Ref WAR in the two years before a nice season in '23. But he'll probably get a deal that puts too much weight on his '23 and not enough on the fact that he was almost out of the sport not that long ago.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5
Didn't Andrew Friedman (or was it D-Dom) say that to land top FAs you have to be willing to offer a deal that makes you uncomfortable? And that if you offer what you consider to be fair value, you're going to finish third for every player? I think we'd all agree with that sentiment. From all the reports we've gotten, it's clear the Red Sox weren't willing to make a killer offer here. I can easily see the same thing playing out with Monty and Snell. That may be a good thing because the reality is the Red Sox are not at the optimal point in their rebuild for signing big FAs. That'll come next off-season at the earliest and more likely after the 2025 season, just as a wave of talent is starting to make an impact. All that said, YY would have been a nice signing this off-season. At his age, he'd still be in his prime when the Next Great Red Sox Team is taking shape (assuming, of course, that he's the real thing and stays healthy). Can you share a link to those reports, please? Because all I've seen is some reports that they offered $300 million, and then some mushy innuendo that might be taken as contradicting those reports but is too vague to say for sure. I'm basing my comment on the same stories you've seen - the ones that said they offered $300M. Even if we take those as true and ignore the ones that say they may not have been in the game at all, they still didn't make an offer to blow away the field. Look, I'm not ripping them for this. I still believe in CB2. It'll take a lot more than one non-signing of a FA to make me give up on him. And while I would have liked to land YY, I hear the points others are making about his size and zero track record in MLB. My point was that if the LAD got him for $325M and the Red Sox offered $300M, then the Red Sox came up short the way the Friedman or D-Dom quote says will happen unless you make an offer that has you reaching for the Pepto-Bismol. We may be happy about that in 2027. Or we may be terribly disappointed.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 23, 2023 12:44:01 GMT -5
Didn't Andrew Friedman (or was it D-Dom) say that to land top FAs you have to be willing to offer a deal that makes you uncomfortable? And that if you offer what you consider to be fair value, you're going to finish third for every player? I think we'd all agree with that sentiment. From all the reports we've gotten, it's clear the Red Sox weren't willing to make a killer offer here.
I can easily see the same thing playing out with Monty and Snell. That may be a good thing because the reality is the Red Sox are not at the optimal point in their rebuild for signing big FAs. That'll come next off-season at the earliest and more likely after the 2025 season, just as a wave of talent is starting to make an impact.
All that said, YY would have been a nice signing this off-season. At his age, he'd still be in his prime when the Next Great Red Sox Team is taking shape (assuming, of course, that he's the real thing and stays healthy).
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 22, 2023 21:30:32 GMT -5
They don't make them like they used to with Papelbon. He's 1000% right. Ya, they just don't make guys who are willing to choke 22 yr old MVPs in the middle of the game anymore. What happened to the game I love! The 22-year-old MVP had just dogged it like the 27-year-old average player Papelbon called out today. I'm on HOFer Fisk's side on these matters. "There's a right way to play this game and a wrong way! You're playing it the wrong way and it offends old guys like me! If you don't start playing this game right, I'm gonna kick your ass right here!" Love it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 22, 2023 16:27:18 GMT -5
I'm not terribly disappointed, as I knew we were a big underdog. But signing YY would have been a huge step in a re-build that I think will have to be spread out over two, maybe three off-seasons. This would have checked the stud SP box, assuming this guy is the real deal. That'll be hard to do in next year's FA market when it'll be Corbin Burnes and not much else. I envision the farm providing multiple starting position players starting in 2025, but they'll still need to acquire an impact RH bat, probably with a DH, and change out another position or two to unwind the extreme lefty heavy lineup. So, how do they acquire a big-time SP? I'm not crazy about paying a big prospect price for one. I guess chasing Corbin Burnes might be the best way but he'll have a lot of suitors, including the same huge-market teams that were chasing YY. We occasionally see a big-name FA left behind by the vagueies of the market or individual circumstances (Carlos Correa a couple of years ago, for instance, due to health issues.) I'm wondering whether Blake Snell will be that guy this year. He might have to settle for less money and fewer years than expected. That would make hinm a good target. Left behind by the vagueries of the market... or by Boras' self-interested approach to negotiations? (He benefits with his high-risk approach because the risk is spread across his many clients; but the individual clients who catch the business end of that risk do not.)
As coincidence would have it, both Snell and Bellinger are reported to be seeking $200 million, which is way above most projections; and both are Boras clients.
It would help if I could type properly - vagaries. Agree totally on the Boras approach. But there are instances through the years of other players coming in below the projections. I think those numbers are nuts for Snell and Bellinger, which isn't to say that one or both of them won't get the $200M. But if interest in Snell is more lukewarm than even rational people expect (not you, Boras), I wouldn't mind pouncing. If the price is $200M or anywhere near that for Snell, I'd treat him like a live grenade and run in the other direction.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 22, 2023 14:50:31 GMT -5
I'm not terribly disappointed, as I knew we were a big underdog. But signing YY would have been a huge step in a re-build that I think will have to be spread out over two, maybe three off-seasons. This would have checked the stud SP box, assuming this guy is the real deal. That'll be hard to do in next year's FA market when it'll be Corbin Burnes and not much else.
I envision the farm providing multiple starting position players starting in 2025, but they'll still need to acquire an impact RH bat, probably with a DH, and change out another position or two to unwind the extreme lefty heavy lineup.
So, how do they acquire a big-time SP? I'm not crazy about paying a big prospect price for one. I guess chasing Corbin Burnes might be the best way but he'll have a lot of suitors, including the same huge-market teams that were chasing YY.
We occasionally see a big-name FA left behind by the vagaries of the market or individual circumstances (Carlos Correa a couple of years ago, for instance, due to health issues.) I'm wondering whether Blake Snell will be that guy this year. He might have to settle for less money and fewer years than expected. That would make him a good target.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 22, 2023 14:21:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised Dugo is knocking his former manager going into his walk year. Cora will probably be asked about the Dugo comments in ST and if he responds by saying Dugo was a constant problem and gives examples, it wouldn't help Dugo's value on the market next winter.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 21, 2023 22:44:50 GMT -5
I had no ill will towards Verdugo but after seeing that, good riddance. Eh, I wouldn't be so upset about it. He had to go and we got about as good a deal as we could have expected. I'd rather have the Dick that Fitts and Dugo had become a dick that didn't fit.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 19, 2023 20:29:45 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that he didn't visit Fenway because I think America's Most Beloved Ballpark is a real recruiting tool. I seem to recall that Boras didn't want Dice-K visiting Fenway while he was trying to extract as much money as possible out of the Red Sox because he thought it might soften Dice-K's resolve. I also remember that when Pokey Reese first visited Fenway just after signing during the 2003-'04 off-season, he asked to go out and see the park one more time before his ride back to Logan. I think he said something like "That was pretty cool" when he asked. I don't think that seeing Fenway would have clinched the deal or that not seeing it eliminates us. But in the spirit of every little bit helps, I wish Yama had seen the Lyrical Little Bandbox of a Ballpark. Do they not have a professionally produced video that reproduces the feeling of coming up the stairs to see all the green of Fenway, combined with shots of a full Fenway cheering for the team in 04, 07 (Dice-K 18-3), 13 ("three little birds" + Koji), and 18 (last out)? I'm sure they do. It's not the same as being there. If it was, people wouldn't pay good money to go to games.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 19, 2023 20:08:37 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that he didn't visit Fenway because I think America's Most Beloved Ballpark is a real recruiting tool. I seem to recall that Boras didn't want Dice-K visiting Fenway while he was trying to extract as much money as possible out of the Red Sox because he thought it might soften Dice-K's resolve.
I also remember that when Pokey Reese first visited Fenway just after signing during the 2003-'04 off-season, he asked to go out and see the park one more time before his ride back to Logan. I think he said something like "That was pretty cool" when he asked.
I don't think that seeing Fenway would have clinched the deal or that not seeing it eliminates us. But in the spirit of every little bit helps, I wish Yama had seen the Lyrical Little Bandbox of a Ballpark.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 17, 2023 15:54:05 GMT -5
When it comes to opt outs. I would offer YY plenty of them. If the differentiating factor is an opt out after 5 years then fine. 4 years of YY and then him opting out is better than 0 years if he goes elsewhere. Along with opt-outs, I'd also frontload his contract. His lowest-earning years would come in years 6 to 10 (assuming a 10-year deal), but his AAV wouldn't change, if I understand correctly. Giving him more money in the early years would just impact JWH's personal fortune.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 16, 2023 16:32:19 GMT -5
Marino Pepén @marino_Pepen · 18m Los #RedSox le han hecho una oferta a Yoshinobu Yamamoto de poco más de $300 MM, con cláusulas e incentivos convenientes para las dos partes. La suerte está echada… The Red Sox have offered Yamamato a bit more than $300M plus incentive clauses per Pepén. That's a solid offer. The problem is that unless it was accompanied by "See what else is out there and come back to us with your best offer," I don't see him ending up here. The LAD and/or NYM will probably go even higher.
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