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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 8, 2015 22:13:16 GMT -5
Man I'm glad the Sox didn't go after Miller... I never really liked him, so to me the trade is ridiculously lopsided. Miller is barely better than Miley. Wow.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 7, 2015 21:37:07 GMT -5
Love this trade!!
Miley was an innings eater and was valuable for that, but we have Kelly and Wright who can be cheaper and as good (even better?) #5 starters. Kelly has some talent and if he pitches like he did in the 2nd half we'll be fine. I like Wright too. Plus, Owens and Johnson are waiting... one of them will probably split the season with Buchholz.
Seems we got a very good 26 year old reliever who has 5 years of control. 92k's in 70 innings... pretty good ground ball rate too. He could be a very good 7th inning guy!!
Aro was ok in the minors, but in order to get the 27 year old lefty, Elias, I think... we needed the room on the 40 man. Someone on our 40 had to be included I guess, so why not him.
Dombrowski has been doing great so far. I like all of his moves. Now, if we could only move Hanley...... yeah, I know.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 4, 2015 11:36:02 GMT -5
I'd like to see Holt/Shaw at 3B vs LHP. Sit Sandoval vs lefties. Then make sure Young is hitting vs lefties. Maybe Bradley will sit vs some lefties with Betts in CF and Young in RF.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 4, 2015 11:27:30 GMT -5
I'd love to see one more FA brought in to help. I'm also not convinced Uehara can go a whole year. Tazawa is a bit worrisome in how,he finished the year. Layne and Ross are good 6th inning guys. Also, Taz and Koji may be in their last years with the team. O'Day as our setup guy would be great, but since I don't see it happening, maybe Sipp, Madson, Kelly could sign....
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 1, 2015 19:50:40 GMT -5
Love it!!!
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 30, 2015 22:21:09 GMT -5
I like this pickup. By the way, I don't see any chance Betts is moved to 2B. Holt will spell Pedroia and Moncada should be the long term answer there.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 29, 2015 12:34:17 GMT -5
I really was not a fan of Zimmermann anyway... at least not as our #1 pitcher.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 27, 2015 15:34:44 GMT -5
I really don't see Price just falling off completely. Like already stated, even if he is not an "ace" the last 2-3 years on the deal it will still be worth it. Thats free agency. Players get too long of contracts. Teams always over pay free agents. I'd sign him. Period.
If we trade good prospects for an elite pitcher, people will hate that we gave up said prospects. Regardless if it was the going rate.
If we sign an elite pitcher to a long contract for a lot of money, people will complain we spent too much. Regardless if it was the going rate.
Some people would much rather the Sox shop in the bargin bins to find a diamond in the rough and just wait/hope our prospects turn into something.
I say, if we need to over spend to get Price, do it. If trading a few good prospects can get is an elite pitcher do it.
I would love for the Sox to sign Price and then go trade for Grey or Carrasco to be our #2. Trade Buchholz.
Price
Carrasco or Grey
Miley
Porcello
Rodriguez
That would be my plan.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 26, 2015 11:59:30 GMT -5
I definitely go the FA route and if it's not Greinke then Price is my choice. Even tho he's left handed I still don't trade Miley. I realize that gives you three lefties and a fourth likely one (Owens) at some point but I don't care. Miley is cheap and too important to the stability and season long success of the rotation. 180+ innings at solid production from the bottom of the rotation is a huge need for a championship caliber team. He's a basic guarantee to give you that and the money is great. Especially when the rotation has Porcello and Buchholz. We can argue Porcello should give you the same innings and a little better production from the right side, but even still you take Miley out then you are relying on Kelly or Wright. SAVE MILEY. DO NOT TRADE HIM. This coming from the guy who loves bullpens. I agree. I like Price more than Grienke, but keep Miley and attempt to trade Buchholz instead. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 26, 2015 10:51:01 GMT -5
Definitely Sam Travis. Maybe Jerez in pen... I'm also hoping to see something from Coyle or Brentz this year. I'd love to see Owens show better control.
I'm most excited to see Vasquez come back healthy and show off his arm again!!
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 24, 2015 17:47:15 GMT -5
Hey guys... we got an elite closer. We gave up some prospects that may or may not pan out. We are better for at least the next three years. Good deal. I'm glad DD seems to know what this team needs and actually is willing to go get the guy he wants. Thank you.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 22, 2015 13:47:44 GMT -5
I've noticed that Dombrowski keeps emphasizing that he wants a SP and a RHH in the outfield. Why not a LHH? We have the following outfield options in-house: RHH Mookie Betts who should play everyday LHH Jackie Bradley, who hasn't shown much of a split in his career despite being a lefty (unless you think the reverse split is real, and not going to move towards a more normal neutral split) RHH Rusney Castillo, whose ability to hit MLB pitching is a question mark and who has a very strong split LHH Brock Holt, who doesn't have a split It seems like the biggest question mark and most platoonable of the outfielders is Castillo. He plays the easiest defensive position of the three (LF), he has the biggest split, and he's quite likely the weakest overall hitter. Why isn't the goal to get a 4th outfielder who can split time with him? I agree. Getting someone to platoon with Castillo should be on the agenda. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 22, 2015 10:17:45 GMT -5
And Storen only has 1 year of control left. And he is upset being a setup guy.... wouldn't he just be disgruntled here?? |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 21, 2015 9:56:46 GMT -5
What if you could get him for Owens, Vasquez, Kopech and Shaw. Owens and Vasquez and Kopech all Have been or are higher end prospects. Owens, Vasquez and Shaw are all young players who have flashed or shown good to very good (maybe great) MLB PERFORMANCE. All 4 are young cost controlled. They can all fit positions of need with the Marlins. Vasquez while coming off of injury fills a big black hole on their team and is the type of guy who if scouts are right about can maximize value of the staff which is key to a smaller market team. For the Red Sox, oddly enough, short term Shaw may hurt the most to give up so maybe they try to deal Travis instead, but all are dealt from positions of depth and you still keep all the other top end young guys we've identified. Vasquez is hard to deal, but Fernandez is special as they come and are we really upset about Swithart being the future catcher? Nope. I don't think that is enough at all. Maybe replace Shaw with Devers. Vasquez is coming off injury and teams will want to see him healthy before trading for him, especially if they are giving up a,Fernandez type. Owens showed some good stuff, but did not "wow", anyone the way ERod did. Kopech got suspended and didn't finish the year. Shaw, well, we would be selling very high on, he was not expected to do what he did and the Sox, or anyone trading for him, have no idea if he can sustain that production. I think Devers will need to be included. Maybe Swihart too.... |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 20, 2015 13:08:22 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't have as many questions about his personality as I'm concerned about his innings. How dependable will he be? I think if we had an ace and he was our #2, it would be more comfortable, but if he is your ace next year... I don't think I like that. Not to mention what it would cost to get him. I'd rather have Salazar or Carrasco as it should cost less and no injury history there. I would say though, when healthy, Fernandez is an elite talent. So you don't want Fernandez as your ace but you want Carrasco or Salazar as your ace? I don't think we go out and sign an ACE and then trade the farm for one of these three on top of that. As to cost have to think Carrasco cost is going to be very close to Fernandez at this point. Carrasco contract is a major selling point. Salazar is coming off a nice year, but still really unproven. You really don't know what to expect next year. All three aren't going to be cheap, you are going to have to give up elite prospects for all of them. I would rather give up the extra prospect and get the best of the bunch, which is Fernandez!
I would offer Bradley and Johnson for Salazar and see if the Indian bite. Don't think they would, but I think that's a fair trade, as I expect Salazar and Bradley to both be around 3 WAR players next year. Indians have surplus pitching and could really use OF help.
No, I never said I want Carrasco or Salazar as our ace... I want Price. |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 20, 2015 9:40:02 GMT -5
Also, he may be the next Pedro.... or the next Prior.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 20, 2015 9:38:38 GMT -5
Fair enough. I don't have as many questions about his personality as I'm concerned about his innings. How dependable will he be? I think if we had an ace and he was our #2, it would be more comfortable, but if he is your ace next year... I don't think I like that.
Not to mention what it would cost to get him. I'd rather have Salazar or Carrasco as it should cost less and no injury history there. I would say though, when healthy, Fernandez is an elite talent.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 20, 2015 9:06:55 GMT -5
I would not want Fernandez at the top of the Sox rotation. Why Injury questions mostly. I would much prefer the Sox to go with more stability as our #1 pitcher. Our #2 already is consistently inconsistent. Porcello was inconsistent. Kelly same, if he is in the rotation. Rodriguez is still a rookie. Who is reliable? Miley? If we go into next year with our current staff plus Fernandez, I feel we are asking for trouble... I assume you do want him as our ace? If so, why and are you that comfortable with him from the history he has over the past two years? Will you be willing/comfortable going into the year with THAT rotation above? |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 20, 2015 8:07:44 GMT -5
I would rather have Salazar or Carrasco to Fernandez.
I would rather have Price and Betts to Fernandez and Upton/Heyward.
If Miami just wants to get rid of him for attitude reasons and takes way less than people are suggesting than I'd listen.
I would not want Fernandez at the top of the Sox rotation.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 18:17:21 GMT -5
I love Bradley, but I'm not sold that he has figured it out at the plate... yet. This coming year should tell a lot.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 18:10:32 GMT -5
Jmei, I wish you could make that deal. I'd take it on our end for sure!!
I see Ramirez as a lot tougher trade. His value is at an all time low. From May until now he was horrible. To think we can flip him for a potential ace is, at least in my mind, a dream.
I hope it happens, but I think Ramirez for a decent reliever is more likely.
Don't you think Salazar to Cin for Frazier at 6 mil a year for the next two years is better? Obviously they would get more than just Frazier too. Why trade with the Sox? Frazier is way more valuable than Ramirez.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 17:58:54 GMT -5
Basically, if we said here is Ramirez contract, take him with no return. I don't see them taking on that contract. So basically, you're saying Bradley and money (25-35% of Ramirez contract?) for Salazar? No way that happens.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 17:54:11 GMT -5
Eh, the Indians do need to add a center fielder (the Indians' SB Nation site had a poll in which CF was voted as the most important need), and if there's one thing the Red Sox are flush with at the major league level, it's center fielders. They also need a DH-- their DH situation is one of the weakest positions in the AL, and they don't really have a third baseman, either. Bradley and a subsidized Hanley or Pablo would seem to be of interest if they want MLB-ready pieces, and there's also a chance that, at least in part because of the Brantley injury, they decide to go in more of a rebuilding direction and look for low-minors prospects. I would be happy if your right, but I don't see it. I just don't see them parting with 5 years of control for two solid #2 pitchers with #1 potential while taking on Ramirez and Sandoval. These two, aside from their contracts, don't have the best reputations either. I'm not 100% sure we could offer Ramirez to Cleveland for free if they would help us out..... |
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 15:30:17 GMT -5
I said this in an earlier thread... I really don't think we match up well with Cleveland for a trade. We obviously would love to have Carrasco or Salazar as our #2 pitcher, however to make a trade the other team needs something back they need. In this case Cleveland needs major league hitting. Who can we offer? Betts/Bogaerts/Ortiz are not moving, at least in those deals. Who then? Ramirez? Nope. We would need to get a third team like Cin with Frazier or Col with Gonzalez involved, in my opinion. Why would Cleveland create a hole in the top three of their rotation unless they are getiing a player back who can hit in the middle of their lineup?
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 19, 2015 14:38:43 GMT -5
... IF he stays healthy. Given his history, you'll get no money from me on that one. Hey, I watched Brett Anderson throw 180IP this year. If he can do it, I'm not counting out anybody! Lol... true. |
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