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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2023 8:25:02 GMT -5
When's the last pitcher that was signed to a 10-yr contract? Not sure why a Japanese pitcher would the next guy. Greta track in Japan and I'd love to sign him. But 10yrs at $25mil/yr? How many established MLB pitchers would you sign for that right now? Wayne Garland received a 10 year deal in 1977. It did not end well. True and that one didnt start particularly well either. He pitched reasonably well in 1977 despite 19 losses and then got hurt in 1978 and was pretty much done at that point. The Indians invested heavily in a guy who in his best year only struck out about 4 batters per 9 innings. Gee, how could it have all gone wrong?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 4, 2023 23:27:42 GMT -5
Have a feeling Yamamoto might actually get 10 years 250 million. Sounds high but then again we're always shocked when the contract signed is higher than anticipated. When's the last pitcher that was signed to a 10-yr contract? Not sure why a Japanese pitcher would the next guy. Greta track in Japan and I'd love to sign him. But 10yrs at $25mil/yr? How many established MLB pitchers would you sign for that right now? How many 25 year old pitchers of Yamamoto's caliber are available? Most free agent pitchers are pushing 30. That's why I think Yamamoto could buck the trend, that. And the insanity that ensued last year. Was it really expected Bogaers or Trea Turner would land huge deals for 11 years that took them into their 40s? At this point little surprises me anymore. I expect the bidding for a young potential ace to be crazy. Because he's not established statewide I didn't think his annual will be in the 30s or 40s, but given his age and the level of competition for him I do think some team, I'll guess the Mets, will blink and give him 10 years 250 million.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 4, 2023 21:08:59 GMT -5
1) Yamamoto (8 x $25) 2) Nola (5 x $24) 3) Bello 4) Sale 5) Pivetta 6) Crawford Nice opening salvo, @misspedey. I would sign onto that in a heartbeat.
Have a feeling Yamamoto might actually get 10 years 250 million. Sounds high but then again we're always shocked when the contract signed is higher than anticipated.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2023 22:00:33 GMT -5
I'm offended by mediocre/losing/ historically injured players. It's my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Last 2 years were awful. Significant change is needed Are you assuming they would be able to replace all of the names you gave with better players, or is the idea just that "these guys aren't good enough, so anything different has to be better" ? The players listed are pretty fungible or are free agents likely to be back or in Verdugo'sxcase, somebody that could very well get traded. I remember the stark differences on the 1995 roster versus the 1994 roster Dan Duquette inherited. Lots of guys replaced on the roster. We'll see what happens when the new PoBO is hired and how quickly he or even she puts his or her stamp on the team. I do suspect tha that the focus will be on more higher profile acquisitions than 25th or 26th man roster turnover. I dont expect Turner to be back. The Sox might very well non tender Urias. The new PoBO might not be enamored with him, who knows? Reyes is basically a utility man. There are a lot of Reyes type guys out there. I can see him hanging around for a littlexehike but I doubt they start him. Duvall probably will wind up elsewhere where he can get a longer commitment and more money. I hope he comes back but don't be surprised if he doesnt. Refsnyder likely sticks around but hes no slam dunk. His numbers were pedestrian. McGuire likely sticks around but who knows? Maybe the GM will want a better glove? I exoect Paxton wont be back either. I could easily see Verdugo being dealt, especially with Cora sticking around. Verdugo was good defensively but had a 99 OPS+ and has seen his offense decline little by little to the point that his bat really wasnt a factor. I could see a new PoBO dangling Verdigo and Tannner Houck on a deal. Or maybe others I haven't considered. I think we're in for an eye opening offseason. I have a feeling the Sox will wind up with one of Ohtani, Soto, Yamamoto, or Trout. The Sox will get one or two big names heading up the pitching staff. If not Yamamoto, then I'll guess the left handed Japanese pitcher and perhaps Giolito or even NOLA, although I cant see Dombrowski letting him slip away. The Sox ownership group is aware they had a team if average to mediocre players that was very devoid if star power and didnt have compelling players to interest fans on coming to fill up the ballpark. They fired Bloom thinking his replacement will get the buzz back among the fans. So yeah I think there will be significant turnover on the 40 man roster. Will some of the players they replace get replaced with better players? Probably not in all cases, but I think sometimes when a team has been losing, simply mixing up and changing the chemistry can help. That usually accompanies a new manager although that wont be the case here.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2023 21:09:03 GMT -5
I feel like crying when I watch that. I still can't fathom this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2023 19:39:33 GMT -5
The 2025 closer is likely somebody who is not in the organization currently.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2023 20:24:41 GMT -5
Yammamoto for 7/175 and Gray 3/60 would be fine with me. Yammamoto, Gray, Sale, Bello, Pivetta, Crawford is fine with me. Plus Houck, whitlock, Bernardino, Martin, Jansen, Schreiber, Winckowski. Yamamoto is going to clear 200 easily Definitely
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2023 13:25:11 GMT -5
To spread around all this franchise hate is just so unhealthy. Just save it all for the Yankees And sit back and relax and watch the postseason hate free.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2023 11:26:19 GMT -5
I would like to say that Brayan Bello did not have a fantastic season, does not rate great on the pitch modeling statistics, and if I ran the team I would be looking to cash in on the trade market if there's a team in love with him. It's also reasonably possible that he improves as young starters can tend to do. I'm sure he'd be the ask if the Brewers decided to trade Burnes Generally I'd be not eager to trade a young pitcher who was durable but had his numbers tail off at the end of the season because he probably got tired. I think with more experience and getting more used to pitching more innings his numbers would improve which is why I dont necessarily take the numbers he had altogether as 100% gospel when th9nk8ng about him going forward.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 18:07:31 GMT -5
Geez, tough crowd. They finished the season 6-18; you wanted them to play worse than .250 ball? I believe in their ability to play even worse, lol.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 18:02:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised how few people want to add two starters. With only one addition they'd be going into the season with less SP depth than they had this season. And also like, what else are they gonna spend money on? I might would add three... I chose 2 but your view of 3 is certainly very reasonable. I was waffling on that. They probably need 2 top flight starters and a reasonably reliable #4 starter as well. A lot of money could also be spent not just on a top flight starter or two but also on either Ohtani, Soto, or Trout. I wouldnt be shocked if the Sox landed one of them. Given how their offense took extended naps, they could probably use more offense as well. Truly good Red Sox teams are usually at or very near the top in runs scored.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 18:00:42 GMT -5
Watch them win just to spite that. Nothing better than a meaningless win. Lol. This team couldn’t even tank successfully. Nope.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 17:33:35 GMT -5
The Patriots season is going to be a lot worse than the red Sox season. 5-12 perhaps?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 17:10:09 GMT -5
Waste of a win. I guess if you're predicting mediocrity, 78-84 is a safe bet. I'd rather they had the higher draft position.
It's crazy that out of the last 10 losing full seasons, 6 of them ended at 78-84, with the seasons being 1983, 1987, 1997, 2015, 2022, and now 2023.
All of the previous five times resulted in better records, 86-76 in 1984, Morgan Magic in 1988 with an 89-73 AL East division title, 92-70 in 1998 as AL Wild Card, 93-69 in 2016 and an AL East title. 2023 is the first time the follow up season that followed wasn't an improvement. 2024 better be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 15:16:38 GMT -5
I originally didnt understand why Terry Francona didnt go to demoted starter Derek Lowe in what was a mop up situation in Game 3 of the ALCS.
I guess pitching in a situation like that is considered embarrassing for a pitcher of Derek Lowe's stature, or Tim Wakefield's as well.
Francona must have been hesitant to summon an already unhappy/upset pitcher like Lowe, but he didnt have to make the decision, because Tim Wakefield took that decision away from him because he volunteered to give up his Game 4 start to pitch in a lost cause Game 3 to go as long as he can just to preserve the pen for Game 4 and beyond if it went that far.
Francona said afterward when they win Game 4 they'll have Wake to thank for that. Wake's sacrifice put the pitching staff back in order which loomed larger and larger as the Series went on. And yes, Wakefield picked up a key win in relief in Game 5.
That was Tim Wakefield as a teammate, just like when he pulled himself off the 2007 World Series roster when he knew he didnt feel right and he didnt want to handicap the team. After the Sox swept the Series, Mike Timlin went on the air and said they did it for that man, referring to Tim Wakefield.
Tim Wakefield, the guy who closed when they needed a closer, set up when they needed setup, mopped up when they needed mop up, and provided innings when they needed him to start which was most of the time, all at a baseball bargain rate because he was extremely loyal to the Red Sox.
How he was as a teammate was how he was as a human being, kind, selfless, and caring.
I was lucky to meet him once and already told my story in a different thread. I'm just glad I had a chance to meet him and thank him for everything.
There will be 20th anniversary celebrations next year but his absence will hurt badly as we'll all miss him terribly. I didnt know Tim Wakefield but I kind of feel like I lost a member of the family. I think a lot of us here feel that way.
RIP #49.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5
Devastating news. Horrendous. RIP Tim Wakefield. Extremely sad.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 13:13:14 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. They went 12-8 in the three weeks after the Jays sweep. I know people want to make the collapse about the trade deadline (and you can certainly argue that the lack of reinforcements was what eventually did in the season), but the slide did not begin in the first week of August. It began with the Bear Claw game. Since then they've been an absolutely gutless 8-22. Understood the free fall occurred 3 weeks later, but they were out if the race once they got swept by Toronto. Kind of like how in 2004 the brawl is credited for turning the season around but they were only 8-6 afterward until they caught fire. But I think the tone of the season shifted in 04 when Varitek stuffed his mitt in A-Rod's face and Mueller walked off Rivera. Likewise when McGuire was celebrating the walkoff victory and got doubled off instead it was obvious they'd get swept and they never became a factor in the wild card race afterwards. They were gone.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 13:02:25 GMT -5
“I’m not ready,” he said he told Red Sox ownership. Reading between the lines, it sounds like the position WAS offered to him.... That's what I get out of that. Sounds like at some point he will be elevated to the Romero/Ferreira level to learn what it'll take to be a GM/PoBO, and it jibes with the reports that Cora's fingerprints are extending to other levels of the organization. My guess is that in a year or two Cora will be kicked upstairs and Jason Vaitek will become the next manager.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 11:02:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't count out the Orioles. They gotta spend money at some point don't they? Have you read about their current owner? He makes Jeff Loria look like a generous spendthrift. Hes the reason the Orioles will have a shorter window than a budding long term dynasty. The Orioles should be great the rest of this decade, but an owner who caree more about winning than profit could with that farm system and financial resources available could build a team that could be great for a decade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 10:42:58 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top. I could take or leave Bloom, but whoever they get has to be better. Not the highest bar to clear, but also not a slam dunk either. This person needs to be able to spend a lot of money wisely while being able to preserve the best of the farm, being able to extract value out of prospect surplus and being able to Judge whose value has reached its zenith. Not an easy task, but a necessary once as I'd think the first goal is to get them to be a playoff team next season, even if it's a 3rd wild card type team, they have to be playing postseason ball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 10:11:17 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season.
For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return.
Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 9:35:50 GMT -5
“9th pick if we lose, or 11th if we win” — Just lose, baby. Watch them win just to spite that. Nothing better than a meaningless win. Lol.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 30, 2023 9:16:00 GMT -5
Curt Schilling has completely lost it. It comes across to me as mental illness. And I wonder there were contributing factors that occurred while he was playing. Not making excuses for him, i think he is an awful human being, and this is a terrible thing to do. Just can't believe a person turned out so different than the peak of how he was perceived. Totally. I remember reading about him when he was with the Dbacks, his charitable endeavors, his meticulous note taking, his drive to improve, and you combine that with a workhorse starter with historic K/BB ratios, I was beyond thrilled when the Sox traded for him. I loved it when he was on SOSH. I might not be here on this site if Gehrig38 didnt get me interested in SOSH. (Oops, another reason to despise him, lol) I thought it was awesome how Schilling was half superstar pitcher and half Joe Fan, wanting to talk among the fans, expressing his views as if he were one of them. And of course 2004 and even to a lesser degress, 2007 doesnt happen without him. He was exactly what the Sox needed, a gutsy star workhorse pitcher to ride in tandem with Pedro (at least for 2004 anyways, as he was the 2nd starter to Josh Beckett in 2007, still winning big games in his final season). Schilling's baseball career certainly belongs in Cooperstown. But since then, wow, easily the most disappointing human being I've rooted for to put it mildly. He is off the rails. I wont touch the political stuff as he does have a right to his loathsome views, and the sad thing is I truly believe that he does feel and hurt for the Wakefields. It's just it cant "compete" for his need to promote his Christian superiority brand, when the right thing to do would be to shut up about it and keep it yourself, respecting their right to privacy first and foremost given that you dont know if they wanted their health problems publicized. But it goes back to the old complaints about him prior to the Sox getting him, red light Curt who seeks attention. I had heard Ed Wade's comment about him being a horse every 5th day and a horse's ass the other 4, but dismissed that because when he was among us as the Sox were trying to win their first Series in 86 years, I didn't see an issue with his need for attention and thought it was cool as it lessened the distance between a player and the fans, all of whom were invested on getting that elusive championship. But this way of getting attention? Awful. In a series of never ending awful coming from Schilling. When he retired I though Schilling would naturally morph into be an opinionated ex-baseball player livening up a baseball broadcast with his commentary on the game, figured he'd make The Hall, continue his charitable endeavors and be a positive reminder and spokesperson for a truly wonderful time in Red Sox history. Instead he's be a disgraceful repellent. Or basically, what Jerry said, if I didnt use my customary gazillion words to post.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 29, 2023 23:38:59 GMT -5
Kind of disappointed that the Sox won. Aas hoping they'd lose all their remaining games and move up in the draft.
Looks like the Sox will probably split the final 2 games and land at a familiar 78-84 record.
Which means that since 1967, the Sox will have had 12 losing seasons, 2 of which were shortened seasons (1994 and 2020), meaning that of the 10 full season losing seasons the Sox would land at 78-84 six times, 1983, 1987, 1997, 2015, 2022, and 2023.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 29, 2023 14:55:28 GMT -5
It’s been 2 weeks how does this organization still have no leader. This organization is going down the toilet, you fire a head of baseball ops and have no one lined up what a joke I don't like a number of things the organization has done in recent years but your panic is over the top. You need to chill it with your silly proclamations. If Raffy Devers goes 0 for 4 tonight with an error are you going to start a DFA Devers thread? I mean really. I'd much rather they take their time over the next few weeks and get the hire right instead of rushing the process and being careless. I would think that would be a common sense attitude to have.
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