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Post by 07redsox on Jun 8, 2018 20:45:43 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion but I look forward to the day the Red Sox either move on from Bogaerts at SS or recognize who he is and move him to the bottom of order. Fact Unpopular, or not based on fact? Cause there is a huge difference... and saying fact at the end of the post doesn't really make it an opinion anymore.
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Post by 07redsox on Jun 4, 2018 10:09:17 GMT -5
Steven Wright is listed as the starter for the Detroit series game 1 on the Sox website. Did I miss something ? Was that announced previously ? Extra rest for starters? Yes, it was announced previously! I read an article yesterday talking about the decision. With the off-day today Cora felt it was a good time to insert Wright for a start to push all of the starters back a day and give them an additional day off on top of today.
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Post by 07redsox on Jun 2, 2018 21:26:42 GMT -5
They had a chance to win all of them. That’s all I ask for. Except in 3 or 4 of them when they lost by 4 or more runs. They have lost by 4 or more runs in only two of those games. In pretty much the same time frame the Yankees have lost by 4 or more runs two times as well. I wonder what that tells us? I'm going to go with absolutely nothing. You should know just as well as everyone else that losing by a certain amount of runs doesn't mean you didn't have a chance to win the game. One or two plays can mean the different between a tie game and losing by a few runs.
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Post by 07redsox on May 26, 2018 9:22:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I have very strong mixed feelings. I think Hanley’s been, despite the reputation, a good personality to have on the team. He’s able to laugh at himself, and have fun with the game. Despite history, i think he’s been nothing but a positive in the clubhouse, at least from what I’ve seen/heard. I really like him. He’s done whatever they’ve asked of him, and they’ve asked a lot. That said, his performance has really dropped off. His salary this year is a sunk cost, and they couldn’t let his option vest as even a 100 wRC+ player. I get that he’s historically hit good pitching, but I’m not confident in his ability to consistently do so going forward. And, I think DFAing Swihart would be a huge mistake. He’s extremely talented and I think they really ought to have a long look at him. He could bust, but obviously Cora went to bat for him and I think that means something. Further, as some have noted, Nunez has more positional flexibility than Hanley, and a heap option. Given similar offensive output, and the possibility of increasing playing time for Moreland (who’s having a career year), Holt, Swihart, and working in Pedey with some backup if he has a setback...idk. It’s a bold move, and I like it as a baseball/roster decision, even if part of me is really sad to see Hanley the person gone. If Cora was considering the move as possibly saving the Sox 22 mil, he would be thinking like a GM. So my gut tells me rather that he felt Hanley could be a festering clubhouse problem if he were benched for periods. Despite reports that Hanley had displayed a positive attitude, his reputation hung in the air like the rain cloud over Joe Btfsplk. I recall when Hanley was asked to play the outfield and had, to me, a certain disdainful, disinterested, even sullen attitide. I may be remembering this completely wrong, but (without looking it up right now) I seem to remember reports that it was Hanley himself/his agent that came to the Red Sox wanting to join the team during that offseason knowing full well that they already a full infield and a DH. If I remember correctly he knew ahead of time that he was going to be the outfielder, or even suggested doing my that to be on the team. I may be remembering some of that completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of that is decently accurate. You also have to remember that he slammed hard into the LF wall during that first game or two (believe it was in Philly) and hurt himself , which could have played into how you remember seeing him with a sullen attitude (I sure would feel/act that way if I hurt myself at the start of my season).
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Post by 07redsox on Apr 7, 2018 21:47:32 GMT -5
Was at the game today and am so happy my 5 hour drive this morning was not wasted! Porcello looked great after that first inning and pretty much cruised right through. Going to tomorrow's game as well so hopefully it will be a good one as well!
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Post by 07redsox on Apr 2, 2018 21:28:07 GMT -5
What does pitching a complete game since returning from anxiety problems and having anxiety problems have to do with each other? You do realize that anxiety issues really don't just disappear completely, right? It isn't the same as the flu were once you aren't showing symptoms any longer you are healthy again. I don't know how anxiety problems have to do with anything in Game 5 of a season where you're looking to get a extra inning out of a pitcher. He's not going to break down because the Sox sent him out for the 7th tonight. No, pitching him an extra inning in one game isn't going to make a difference. But judging by your other posts, and some of the responses to you from other posters, it seems that you would like to see that extra inning or two more often than not. Pushing players every now and then is great. Doing it more often than not is not. That is especially true of someone who suffers from anxiety, where one thing can set off that anxiety and cripple you for a while.
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Post by 07redsox on Apr 2, 2018 21:17:47 GMT -5
It's the "he shouldn't need to be protected" line, and the way it lines up with your constant attitude that pitchers should be pushed to the breaking point. You talked all last summer that Sale was a "horse" who Farrell wasn't going deep enough into games with; you bitched and moaned that they weren't pushing Addison Reed hard enough in a game when he'd pitched the two previous days and was unavailable, under the belief that they shouldn't worry about pushing him past the breaking point because he was a free agent and him breaking wasn't their problem. It's a bad way to view baseball players. I was wrong about Sale yes. I wasn't wrong about Reed. He lasted and was one of the Sox best relievers last year. I don't know why pushing a 6th starter when your 4 and 5 starters are coming back really soon has anything to do with this. I don't know how Johnson's anxiety problems have anything to do with anything. He has already pitched a complete game since returning. I want to protect the bullpen for the rest of the year. What does pitching a complete game since returning from anxiety problems and having anxiety problems have to do with each other? You do realize that anxiety issues really don't just disappear completely, right? It isn't the same as the flu where once you aren't showing symptoms any longer you are healthy again.
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Post by 07redsox on Feb 19, 2018 18:16:46 GMT -5
I believe you are incorrect. The AAV is $22 million. They count all 5 years, or at least I think so. I keep hearing the AAV is $21 million, but my math is $110m/5 years, so I'm not sure how this works. I know it's not $25 million/year. If I'm right, it's 25 million for the first 2 years only. I hope I'm wrong. If I understand it correctly it is the 22$ mil a year AAV because the final 3 years are actually guarenteed years. AAV is based on guarenteed years. The player has the choice of opting out, but the years are still guarenteed unless the players chooses to opt out.
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Post by 07redsox on Feb 9, 2018 12:47:57 GMT -5
He spent his first 5 seasons playing in the hitter friendly parks of the AL East while with the Yankees and its not like he light the league on fire with his hitting at that time. The only time he has actually had a slugging% over .400 is after he left the AL East (and this past overall season between SF and Boston). I do think there may be something to him having a nice swing for Fenway, but I don't think playing in the AL East is going to make him better all of a sudden (especially having played here before). It all comes down to the cost. If there isn't much of a market for him and you can get him on a nice deal then you of course go for it. But having Hernandez as the backup option on the cheap isn't too bad either. I don't agree with you're using his 1st few seasons as relevant. I never understand this reasoning. IS JDM's 1st 3 seasons relevant as to what he is now? Matter of fact he wants to get paid now for his enormous season as though he'll be enormous over several years. As for my post, I felt I can't use it both ways against Nunez. He hit very well s the Non-east teams. Yet smoked it vs the non-east. But one thing I do know, he hit well in Fenway park and his bat fills a weakness. And I was arguing as to who the better player is. I'd rather have the better player who is more versatile/ higher ceiling with the bat provided the cost is reasonable. That's why though I'd prefer to have JDM n terms of ceiling (and at least for a couple of years he can play some of). Comparing JDM first few seasons and the first few seasons of Nunez's career is like comparing apples to oranges. One of those players became a completely different hitter while the other has been pretty consistent in who they are as a hitter. I only brought up his past seasons since you said the hitter friendly parks of the AL East may help him. If he was a different hitter now compared to his days with the Yankees you may be on to something. However, I don't really that's true. I agree that using past seasons isn't always relevant, but when those past years match up pretty well with what they have also been doing recently it can help show you what that player is (including consistency). As was posted above, throughout his career he has ranged from very slightly below average to very slightly above average offensively. He may have hit well in Fenway last year, but that was over the course of two months. You can't expect him to do that again over the course of a full season. I would certainly love to have him back. However, I wouldn't expect much more than a .280/.330/.420 line if he did. That's still a decent player, but I guess I fall more in the camp of Hernandez being able to provide close to that value for a cheaper cost as well. Nunez may be more "versatile", but that doesn't mean he should be. He's really not a good defender anywhere he plays. And I believe (without looking it up) Hernandez can play a few of the IF positions as well. That's part of the reason why I feel money may be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by 07redsox on Feb 9, 2018 9:40:27 GMT -5
I'd rather play Marco Hernandez than sign Eduardo Nunez. I think we as Sox fans view Nunez as a better player than he is because he played well above any level he'd played at previously in his career after the trade. He slugged .537 after the trade, for example, when his previous career high for a season was .432. There's no reason to expect he'll hit nearly as well as he did after the trade, and as pointed out, he's not a strong defender either. I think Hernandez can do what Nunez does much more cheaply. My only pause on Hernandez is that I worry about rust early in the year when you'd most need him. Of the remaining free agents, I would only sign JD Martinez and a reliever or two, especially a lefty, to major league deals. Actually add Darvish or Arrieta if you can then move Porcello. I think Nunez is a pretty good option. Not the best. And I have no idea about his injury. But he hits. He's not in the pros for his defense. And if he had a full season in teh hitter friendly parks in the East he has potential (though last year he was awful vs the East). He fills a hole with his bat and has good speed. Again I'm not saying for sure sign him. But Marco does have injury concern too. Who knows how he comes back. Nunez gives the sox "potential" with the bat which Marco can't come close to. In particular Nunez hit very well in Fenway. And when he 1st came - Sox announcers mentioned his swing is good for Fenway. And he backed it up with his performance. Too many questions with the Sox hitters to be comfortable with Marco over Nunez imo. The catchers are a question. I'm not as optimistic as some regarding Hanley. He's a question as is Moreland and any of the 2b including Pedroia. I'm not as optimistic this year with Devers. Of course I think .270 and maybe a bit higher. But no more than 25hr's. I'd be surprised if his OPS is at best just a tad over .800 which is good but not great considering he may very well be the cleanup hitter. JBJ is also questionable as a hitter. And I'm not too optimistic of Brentz or Swihart. Same with the light hitting Holt. Not saying all these guys aren;'t all going to hit. But there are a lot of questions that a guy like Nunez has the potential to fill a lot better than Marco. And his value is that he plays the OF too. And MArco was imo a disaster at 3b I think. What do you think of Neil Walker for a short-term deal? I heard Yankees could try to get him too. Nice lefty bat, isn't he? He can play 2b, 1b and DH. He spent his first 5 seasons playing in the hitter friendly parks of the AL East while with the Yankees and its not like he light the league on fire with his hitting at that time. The only time he has actually had a slugging% over .400 is after he left the AL East (and this past overall season between SF and Boston). I do think there may be something to him having a nice swing for Fenway, but I don't think playing in the AL East is going to make him better all of a sudden (especially having played here before). It all comes down to the cost. If there isn't much of a market for him and you can get him on a nice deal then you of course go for it. But having Hernandez as the backup option on the cheap isn't too bad either.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 29, 2018 12:48:07 GMT -5
Wonder if it had anything to do with the passing of the bat fetching dog (forgot his name). Trenton has always had a soft spot for animal "acts". FWIW, they've been training one of the dog's puppies for a few years to do the same gig, so they still have a bat dog. As someone who work in Trenton and has been to games at their stadium I can tell you that the new dog is already taking part in on field activities (this was as of the end of this past summer which was the last time I was there). Also happy to see they made the right decision to call them Pork Rolls and not the Taylor Hams.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 23, 2018 19:19:33 GMT -5
What do you think sitting out regular season games is going to do for Martinez? I don't get your rationale that it will get him any larger of a contract. If anything I would think not signing by beginning of regular season will end with him having less options and a smaller contract. That's the thing it's not my rational. It's the rational of Boras and Martinez. They're the ones leaking stories and threatening to sit out. I think 5 and 125 is really good and fair offer. They don't seem to agree. Here's the problem: it kind of is your rational. You are taking reports that have been leaked to the press and acting like they are actually the truth. You are then using that news as fact. How many times has an agent/player (and that's any agent, not just Boras) said one thing and then it never actually happens exactly that way? Boras and his top clients every offseason always give some outrageous contract demands to the press. I can count the amount of times they actually get what they initially mention at the beginning of the offseason on one hand most likely. . Until Martinez actually misses a regular season game it's a non-story. There is no reason to be obsessing over these reports and acting like they are 100% going to happen because the likelihood of that happening is pretty low.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 17, 2018 12:22:57 GMT -5
Pedey definitely is a grinder and at this stage of his career that will probably do more harm than good. I used to think that Pedey was a real team guy and would handle the back end of his career with class when his skills started to erode but now I don't think that is the case. Sorry to say he seems to be all about Pedey, I could be wrong and it is just a sign of his competitive spirit. Half the team grinded through injuries last year when it seems many should have sat, hopefully they learned something from that. Seem to really be grasping at straws with that statement. It seems like you are trying to say that Pedroia trying to come back as soon as possible and not make sure he is 100% is what shows he is all about himself? I really don't follow that thinking because it goes both ways. While it can hurt the team, from his point of view him not playing is probably hurting the team. From the point of view of an athlete, do you really think someone like Pedroia would think sitting out is best for the team? Athletes, especially those that have made a name for themselves like Pedroia, are likely going to believe that they can do it and them playing is best for the team. Without that kind of attitude I would assume it is much more difficult to actually succeed at a professional level like this.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 13, 2018 15:40:21 GMT -5
I am not doing the 6 years, unless it is a team option. Come on, his best offensive year was last year, how convenient for him. DD has to show some sack here, the guys will hit better this year. i guarantee it. They have to, JF is not the manager anymore. While it is true that he had a great year last year, let's not act like he is one of those players that has one huge year before free agency, cashes in and then does nothing. JDM has been one of the top bats in the league for the last 4 years.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 12, 2018 14:00:59 GMT -5
I understand from reading your posts that you want a top of the rotation starter instead of a top flight hitter, which is an understandable request. But using postseason stats does not show how imperative a hitter is to this team, nor does it show that they would be better off with another ace. In face, if we want to cherry pick post season stats I could do the same thing with Sale this postseason to show why we don't need a top of the rotation pitcher. But that wouldn't make much sense to do.
Not true. My contention has always been that this team is short with respect to pitching. This team won a post season game last year with a "mediocre" Moreland in the line up. This team also surrendered 8 runs twice and could not hold a late inning lead. Of course a JDM or an Ortiz would stand to help, but it is doubtful that either guy would account for 6 runs, not once, but twice in last years playoffs. And the presence of Ortiz did not help enough to win the season series against NY in 2016. It's about match ups. This team does not match up well against Houston or NY. There is a problem with that though because it goes both ways. You are using those stats to justify why we don't absolutely need someone like Ortiz/JDM by showing that they didn't contribute much in the postseason. If you understand that the post season numbers don't mean much at all in such a small sample, then you can't possibly use it to justify why an Ortiz/JDM type hitter isn't required.
I am not opposed to a top of the line bat. I like JDM. He has a career .337 BA against the NYY. I used the post season stats to illustrate the incongruity of labeling Moreland as mediocre. I just think that our top two pitchers (however good their numbers are in the regular season) show a tendency (much like Pedro did) to run out of gas somewhere around the 3200 pitch mark. These guys are not built like Clemens or Verlander. And they are lefties. The Yanks and the Astros' are predominately right hand line ups. This is not a good recipe for a Price or Sale that are not at 100%. FWIW I have more faith, or expectation, with Sale then I have for Price. That said even if one of the two is at the top of his game we still need another top of the line pitcher (preferably a righty) at the top of his game to get to the WS. The difference between standing pat and signing JDM would be negligible come October. The road to a deeper run in the post season lies in rotation management and a quality RHSP in the rotation. Unless Porcello steps up big time (which I have serious doubt, due to the match ups with NY and Hstn) then this team will not advance. Keep in mind both the Astros' and the NYYs' will be adding a front line SP. Most likely a RHSP.
I guess part of my point (which i admittedly did not get across as well as I was trying to) is that using post season stats for any reason jsut doesn't work. I agree with you that Moreland, in my opinion, is not mediocre (this then goes into a who other discussion of what mediocre actually means to each person, considering everyone could view it a little differently). However, showing that he hit well last post season does not prove that he isn't mediocre. Anyone who is good enough to make it to the majors can hit like that in a few game sample. Hell, I believe Marrero hit very well with a few HRs in a couple game stretch in the second half of the season if I remember correctly. That can't be used to make the case that he is anything other than a bad hitter though. I also don't think its 100% that the Astros and NYYs add a front line SP. I could definitely see if happening, but its not set in stone yet. NYY were trying to acquire Cole, but I wouldn't consider him in the same conversation of other TOR SPs like Sale, Kershaw, and Kluber. The way I view it is I would rather add a JDM now and then trade for a SP closer to the trade deadline if one truly seems to be needed. This would allow you to see for a few months if A.) Price is healthy, able to pitch regularly and to the effectiveness that he can and B.) if Porcello is his 2016 or 2017 self. Either way though, I could see the offense being much better than last year even without adding JDM. Too many hitters were struggling through injuries for a long time during the course of the season, some more than others. Would not be surprised to be better and more consistent years out of Bogaerts, Bradly, and Betts for this reason (and Benintendi adjusting better in his second year).
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 12, 2018 9:27:53 GMT -5
We're still talking about 4 games for JDM and Moreland. TINY sample size. You can do nothing whatsoever to prevent bad performance or guarantee good performance in 4 games for any player. Papi hit .111/.250/.222 in the 2016 playoffs for example. Ted Williams played 7 playoff games in his career and hit .200/.333/.200. Do you think if he played 85 playoff games like David Ortiz did, he wouldn't hit a whole lot better than that? The post I was responding to lamented the signing of Moreland as mediocrity in the lower half of the batting order while belying angst with regard to our need to sign JDM. I was addressing his world view with the most recent playoff stats. For those who think JDM is a necessity. I am acutely aware of the disparity between regular season stats and post season stats (which is why I am big on individual match ups). Those who think that a bopper is imperative for this team only need to look at Papis' 2016 line and JDMs' 2017 post season numbers. There is a problem with that though because it goes both ways. You are using those stats to justify why we don't absolutely need someone like Ortiz/JDM by showing that they didn't contribute much in the postseason. If you understand that the post season numbers don't mean much at all in such a small sample, then you can't possibly use it to justify why an Ortiz/JDM type hitter isn't required. I understand from reading your posts that you want a top of the rotation starter instead of a top flight hitter, which is an understandable request. But using postseason stats does not show how imperative a hitter is to this team, nor does it show that they would be better off with another ace. In face, if we want to cherry pick post season stats I could do the same thing with Sale this postseason to show why we don't need a top of the rotation pitcher. But that wouldn't make much sense to do.
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Post by 07redsox on Jan 11, 2018 15:22:56 GMT -5
You're considering the wrong free agent "problems" though. The problem is that owners are keeping too much money, relative to the players. Players taking too long to sign isn't a problem, it's an inconvenience to your impatient self, and max contracts are a solution that hurts players more, and for what? So you, personally, get to know what players are on your favorite team by mid-January? You won't even explain why you think free agents waiting to sign is a problem. It's not good for interest in the game of baseball. Free agency and trades and off-seasons are one of the biggest draws in sports. That is the biggest downfall to all of this.
Max contracts is a way to fix the problem. The owners would have to give something up in return, but it is what it is. How so? People like you and I and pretty much everyone else on this site are still talking, discussing and reading about baseball on, most likely, a daily basis. The average fan does not do this. I would be willing to bet that the average fan checks-in every now and then, but largely doesn't start paying attention until the actuall season begins, forget about spring training. They see someone like JDM signs and think "Great, glad the Sox were able to sign him" and then checks out until the games start. Most people aren't going to go digging deep into the starts and see, for instance, how his swing and batted balls profile fit into his new home park, like many on this very site do.
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Post by 07redsox on Dec 17, 2017 0:25:21 GMT -5
Reading on MLBtraderumors.com it mentioned that DD told reposters he's focused on signing one hitter - as in one hitter only. I don't think the Red Sox plan on going after Hosmer unless Martinez falls through quite honestly. I don't think they can easily dump Hanley and he's not going to sit on the bench - you don't pay a guy $22 million to sit on the bench, especially when he can hit if healthy. And I don't think DD wants to trade JBJ. He knows it would take away from one of the clubs biggest strengths - OF defense and impact the pitching staff negatively. I was thinking about it and the only way you could shoehorn all of those guys into the lineup was if you were to move Mookie Betts to 2b, DH Hanley, stick Martinez in LF, with Benintendi and Bradley taking the other two spots with Hosmer manning 1b. That's totally not happening. I think eventually the Sox compromise with Boras - give Martinez the 6th year guaranteed with an option and raise the annual salary to somewhere from 25 to 27 million/year - my guess is they're offering $23 million over 5 years. With Santana getting $20 million/year Hosmer stands to make more than that and at double the length of contract. Realistically you're talking the Stanton contract pretty much split between two players and an extra $47 million on top of their $200 million before adding a reliever (lefthanded and likely), a depth starter perhaps (unlikely), and maybe bringing back Nunez (unlikely). The BOTH Martinez and Hosmer thing really doesn't ring true for me. I think Michael Silverman needs a new source. I've also read on MLBtraderumors in two separate instances the fact that JDM is fine signing as a DH AND that he wants to sign with a team as a corner outfielder. DD is not going to outright say that they are going after two bats because he then loses leverage if those too bats he wants are indeed Hosmer and JDM. It's all just negotiating tactics. He could very well only be going after one, but what someone actually says isn't always a great reference to reality this time of year. I personally don't think they are going after both for many of the same reasons that you mention. It can be done, but it has a lot of different trickle down effects to the club and other players that would need to be dealt with as well.
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Post by 07redsox on Dec 4, 2017 0:02:14 GMT -5
He has a no trade contract to come to Boston and yet you are questioning his desire to play in Boston? Yes- that can change. If you want to propose trades go ahead. But for me- I think unless that we hear that he definitely will look into Boston, I'm just not going to waste my time. A quote below from Olney, along with the next paragraph in the article, and I did read somewhere else that the Marlins aren't too happy about the Red Sox farm (which imo implies they do want prospects) - and I'm sure I can pick up more-- that the Marlins want prospects. Giving up prospects and spending long-term a big contract like Stanton while he isn't happy coming here-- naaah. Obviously I didn't know that he had a no trade contract to Boston or else I probably wouldn't have questioned it as much. Sometimes players put Boston in there just to shake the Red Sox down for more money. We've heard that the Dodgers are his first choice. From what I read the Red Sox have nothing that interests the Marlins, so either that put the kibosh on the Red Sox deal or Stanton flat out told Marlins management that he wanted no part of Boston. It'll be interesting to find out which it was. It's too bad. He was the perfect guy to plug into the cleanup spot. From what I understand, it's not that he has Boston on a no trade list. I believe when he signed his mega contract with Miami it included a full no trade clause, not just to specific teams.
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Post by 07redsox on Nov 30, 2017 14:26:44 GMT -5
You do know that Pedroia is a 10-5 guy and can't be traded without his permission, right? And the team has 0 shot next year? Really. They won 93 games, had underperformances from a lot of players, will likely upgrade either the DH/1b position and have a staff headed by Sale, Price, and Pomeranz with Kimbrel heading the bullpen. Yeah, they totally suck. It's amazing - you get the yahoos who can't understand a scenario in which the Red Sox don't win 100 games in the upcoming season (the same yahoos who couldn't see how the Patriots could actually lose a game this season). And then there's you on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Red Sox most certainly do have an excellent chance of making the post-season, and certainly a solid chance at making serious noise in the playoffs, and they could even win it all if everything breaks right for them. The 2013 Red Sox didn't look nearly this good! Your pronouncement that the Red Sox have 0% chance is asinine. And you want to rebuild(destroy) this team but keep Sale and Betts? Why? So the Red Sox can win 75 games and not get the best returns on their most valuable players? If you're going to blow it up you go all the way, and doing so when the Sox clearly have 2 if not 3 years of having a realistically solid shot of winning the Championship, is absolutely moronic. What good is it if you waste Mookie's or Sale's best years when it doesn't matter, watch him leave for little or nothing, and then have some kids coming up who by time they come wish they had a Sale or Mookie available to them in their prime. And YOU complain about Dombrowski as GM? Sheesh. A few points -The Sox have ZERO chance. Did you not just see the team that won the WS? A home grown monster. Kuechel, Altuve Springer, Correa, Bregman, Verlander. The Sox cannot touch that. Yes they got "closer" this year. -The 2013 Sox was a team that I love and cherish but that was the one and a million team that got insanely lucky. They had no business making the playoffs let alone winning it all. We all know that. -Pedroia has his 10-5 rights but guys wave those all the time to go to a better situation. I'm not saying cut him because I think Pedey can still be a semi productive player but he really has no future here. Better to give him a shot elsewhere. -Wasting Betts and Sale's prime would be giving them a situation where they actually become better off in the long run? They aren't going anywhere with this roster. What do the Sox gain from letting Kimbrel Xander and Pomeranz walk next year? Or worse how about overpaying them? Then the player turns from an asset to a net negative. You mean they can't touch the team they got a couple outs from forcing a winner-take-all game 5 in the ALDS? I understand when some people take a more pessimistic view on things, but this is just going way overboard entirely. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. To say that this team has zero chance of winning the WS is insane. Can they make the playoffs? They most certainly can, which means they definitely have a chance of winning. The Astros are obviously a great team, but anything can happen in a long series like the playoffs. On top of that, there is a chance that really anything can happen in sports. Can the Padres win the WS next year? It would be highly unlikely, but if things break right and many of there players improve over last year than sure they have a chance. There is almost never a 0% chance before the season actually begins because you have absolutely no idea what is truly going to occur. You asserting that there is zero chance as of this moments doesn't help your point, it only makes it look like you are trolling.
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Post by 07redsox on Nov 9, 2017 12:42:49 GMT -5
I completely forgot that players tend to peak at ages 23-25 and can never improve after that point...He is still a very young kid who has already had 4 full major league seasons under his belt. He is still entering his prime as we speak. We have no idea what he will do from here on out. Am I disappointed that he isn't the best/one of the best players in baseball like it looked like he could be before he made it to the majors? Of course I am, as I am sure most people here are. But that is a TON to ask for from a prospect and completely unrealistic to begin with. I am satisfied with what he has given us to this point. He still has a lot of room for improvements that we could see over the next two seasons. After which, he will be gone. The point is -- he won't play his prime for the Red Sox, and even in his prime, he will remain a defensive liability. I was responding to a comment that "the ship has sailed" on Bogaerts becoming a superstar (or even improving considering him not even being an AS was mentioned as well.). Him being gone in two years has no relation to what I was saying. To say that he can't reach his potential when he is only 25 makes no sense at all. I'm not talking about arguments to keep or trade him, only that he still has room for improvement whether that is with the Red Sox or a different team.
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Post by 07redsox on Nov 9, 2017 9:27:07 GMT -5
I think he will become a superstar. How about he play a full season without hitting Heartbreak hill? Yes I know he's been inj. But the "superstar" ship has sailed. He's good, not an AS. I don't want to trade him but if he could be included in a mega deal you'd better believe I'd consider it. As for JDM I think that large price tag is for us and not the other guys in the NL (that covet him). So I guess now if you enter UFA at 30yo. you want a ten year deal? I completely forgot that players tend to peak at ages 23-25 and can never improve after that point...He is still a very young kid who has already had 4 full major league seasons under his belt. He is still entering his prime as we speak. We have no idea what he will do from here on out. Am I disappointed that he isn't the best/one of the best players in baseball like it looked like he could be before he made it to the majors? Of course I am, as I am sure most people here are. But that is a TON to ask for from a prospect and completely unrealistic to begin with. I am satisfied with what he has given us to this point. He still has a lot of room for improvements that we could see over the next two seasons.
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Post by 07redsox on Nov 3, 2017 11:09:11 GMT -5
People need to read the Stanton trade thread, where I'm sure these posts will be moved. The assumption that Stanton has any large positive trade value is highly questionable. When you sign a free agent to a big-money contract, you don't give up a bundle of talent, too. At most you give up a draft pick. A guy signed to a long-term contract has trade value in proportion to how much value he can give you relative to what he costs you. A little bit extra, because there are only so many elite players, but not nearly as much as you'd think. Right now Stanton looks like a wash. He's cheap on an AAV basis, but the contract goes on so long that in the end it's not any kind of bargain. I saw discussions on the other thread. A guy like Stanton is in his prime. He is going to produce more wins than Beni is. Just as many trades are made for super players you've got to give up future value for a player liek Stanton in his prime. As one site called Stanton "a generational talent." You're not going to get him with that offer. I think you are underestimatiing what Stanton will bring added with Bour. The reason why the Marlns won't get an enormous hall is because of the contract. But they will get someone featured better than what the proposal that I replied to stated. Mos importantly, teams with W/S aspirations are going to pay above value. Then add that the Sox getting Bour while the best player the sox are giving up is JBJ? Bour had a better WAA than JBJ in 2017. And then throw in a hurt ERod the past 2 years? You don't think another team can do better than this? And it's not like JBJ is 22-25 years old. I agree with you that adding Bour does make a bit of a different, but it all entirely depends on how much of the contract a team is going to be taking on. I have seen reports that the Marlins are going to want a trading team to take on the entire contract. Who knows if that is true, but if it is then that will definitely change what they can get back. Taking on that entire contract is probably something only a handful of teams can even do. IF they want good talent coming back their way as well then that could lessen the suitors even more so. Most of the trades that are seen for these top tier players happen when they are receiving significantly less than Stanton will be. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens this offseason. There is usually that one team that will over pay to get what they want, but Stanton's contract gives a couple hundred million reason not to do so.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 26, 2017 10:47:19 GMT -5
Ok but have you considered that Bannister is a wizard and Willis is the only reason that Joe Kelly isn’t an ace? Willis is the only pitching coach in history to oversee three different Cy Young winners. That said, I always found it strange that Dustin Pedroia would be the one to spot something in David Price's delivery last year. I'm pretty sure any pitching coach we hire will need to work with Bannister. Actually I believe it's four for Willis: Sabathia, Lee, Hernandez, and Porcello.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 21, 2017 16:37:45 GMT -5
Now reading that DD is not sure whether he wants to interview more candidates for the managerial job. I just do not understand why you would fire a manager who as won a World Series and 3 divisional titles in 5 years when you do not know who you want to replace him. I hope its not just that since DD didn't hire Farrell he wants to get his own person in the job or that because some fans don't like Farrell he decided to make a change. Is there some off the field reason for DD to fire Farrell when he doesn't have someone in mind that he feels will be better? He probably hasn't agreed with Cora yet on the $$. Guessing it's a leverage move. Or, just in case Cora changes his mind. I saw the same report that he was not sure if he wants to interview more candidates for the manger position since Cora interviewed. Don't think that is a new report or anything like that. Even if it was that doesn't mean they haven't agreed to anything, or that it's for leverage to get more money. They aren't going to announce Cora as manager (if he does end up with the position) until the ALCS is over at the earliest. DD can't just come out and say Cora has the job because of this. He also can't say that they have made a decision without announcing it because then it would be pretty obvious to everyone who it is. His only real choice if asked is to say what he said.
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